It's almost impossible to get some self-balancing system of karma incentives to work out exactly right. But we don't need to do that. There are lots of smart, thoughtful humans here who will work for free or cheap in good faith to keep things right. Why do we refuse to enlist their service? Basically, just straight up steal the Metafilter model of non-shitty content. - Five bucks for an account. Maybe ten. - Tell the…
"Self-links are OK only if they are really good. If someone sits around posting every post on their blog to HN (or having their buddy do it) " Along those lines I'm wondering why a few words by the OP on this subject simply asking a question and offering nothing more deserves to be on the front page. The OP is Josh Miller (by handle) who works at branch.com where the simplistic post appears. This essentially appears…
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#24That's the thing about subcultures which I think HN most definitely is in that it is supposed to attract the most intelligent, entrepreneurial, techiest people. When it's new it's great because it makes you feel like you're part of not just a club but an elite club. Inevitably others who find out about your club want to join because they feel they deserve to be part of the elite club. Oh yes, they have all the makings of a genius and need to be part of it. This kind of self selection sucks and what's happening to HN happens to everything on the web that can be considered cool. RIP HN. We can bury its remains in the same plot as MySpace, Digg, and soon enough Facebook.
Although I would've hated it when I created my original account, I wonder if having an invite process would've helped like Dribbble and Forrst have.
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#25It's almost impossible to get some self-balancing system of karma incentives to work out exactly right. But we don't need to do that. There are lots of smart, thoughtful humans here who will work for free or cheap in good faith to keep things right. Why do we refuse to enlist their service? Basically, just straight up steal the Metafilter model of non-shitty content. - Five bucks for an account. Maybe ten. - Tell the…
"Self-links are OK only if they are really good. If someone sits around posting every post on their blog to HN (or having their buddy do it) " Along those lines I'm wondering why a few words by the OP on this subject simply asking a question and offering nothing more deserves to be on the front page. The OP is Josh Miller (by handle) who works at branch.com where the simplistic post appears. This essentially appears…
As to whether it belongs on the front page... Well technically the front page is a reflection of this community. If its on the front page then it belongs there because it was voted onto it. You don't have to look any further than the front page to tell how HN is changing for better or worse. But I do know what you mean when you say "deserves" and yeah, I'm right there with you.
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#26The submitted article (blog post) has an interesting factual claim with which I disagree, but that leads to a technical suggestion that I find intriguing. "I'll start: for me, the main problem with HN is that it's extremely hard for new links to reach the front page, or even get more than one or two upvotes." I disagree that it's extremely hard for new links to reach the front page. Most newly submitted links don't d…
I agree. It takes tuning, but 40% of my last ten submissions have made it to the front page (my record was, admittedly, fairly miserable before that).
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"Self-links are OK only if they are really good. If someone sits around posting every post on their blog to HN (or having their buddy do it) " Along those lines I'm wondering why a few words by the OP on this subject simply asking a question and offering nothing more deserves to be on the front page. The OP is Josh Miller (by handle) who works at branch.com where the simplistic post appears. This essentially appears…
I think you're right about the publicity thing and I'm torn as to whether it's okay or not. On the one hand we're all here to support each other in building things and all that plus this really was a good way to show the HN crowd how Branch is used/useful which I know would appeal to a lot of us. There's no doubt having a guy from Branch post a Branch here is a great way to get people using it and talking about it. B…
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#28I've haven't been here as long as others, but I've definitely noticed the signal to noise ratio respective to startup threads changing.
If it could be tagged and have both, it would be nice. Such features might border on the beauty and simplicity of this site, though.
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#29Stories should be able to be tagged using an arbitrary set of tags similar to stack overflow. Possibly only people with a certain karma should be able to tag stories. Then let people filter stories by the tags it has. This would alleviate the concern of "too many YC posts" because they can be all tagged 'YC' and I can filter those out.
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#30(1) 2-dimensional comment rating. The 1-dimensional upvote/downvote conflates 'advances the discussion' and 'agree': there's no simple way to register, "good comment but I disagree" (other than another written comment). This makes some simple disagreements earn downvotes, and because downvotes have a connotation of censure (and even censorship as the comment descends in visibility), increases negative/adversarial feelings. Hiding the net comment scores has helped a bit (with other costs), but adding a 2nd-dimension -- a little compass-rose -- to ratings would let up/down be "worthwhile/unworthy" while left-right could be "agree/disagree". And, the separate agree/disagree counts could be shown, the give a sense of magnitudes rather than just net differences. My theory is that by providing an outlet for non-suppressive disagreement, fewer full replies would be necessary. Everyone could 'weigh in' without so much of a corrosive sense of status-retaliation/tribalism.
(2) separate parallel stream per-item (or per-comment) for 'carping'/correction comments. Often a headline sucks. Or an article or comment has blatant logical, factual, or grammatical errors. The community can't resist racing to point these out... and to some extent that's necessary, and can result in an headline/article/comment improvement for clarity/correctness. But it's also somewhat distracting and low-value, especially if the carps persist after a correction makes them redundant, or the carps become more prominent that substantive points. So give them their own tab. By convention, corrective/meta comments should go there, and moderators (or community votes) could also move misplaced comments there. My theory is this would retain their corrective value (especially for those most interested in that sort of precision) without clogging the 'main' thread with their bulk and hypercritical mindset.
(3) community rewritten/ranked headlines. Abusive headlines often waste readers time, create unnecessary discussion tangents based on misconceptions, and bias talk in a more adversarial direction. But corrections by moderators are inconsistent (and themselves often controversial). So maybe let the community propose alternate headlines, and vote on which is best. Only the top headline, presumably improved by group action, appears on the summary list views... the alternative proposals on the detail page.
(4) subheads (aka 'dek' or blurb/tease). Allow a second-line in submissions for display in list/summary views, as is common in many journalistic presentations. More context can help save time/attention. Because writing these can be as challenging (and subject to the same abuses as headlines), if the headlines can be community-corrected per the above, the subheads should as well.
(5) event/topic clustering (a la Techmeme). Interleaving 10 stories about some attention-grabbing new release or controversy with 20 stories about other things heightens a false sense of novelty/urgency but doesn't lead to more coherent evaluation/discussion. All the stores about "Company X releases Y" (and similar) could be grouped as a contiguous block. The block might rise/fall on total votes to all stories; the relative prominence of the stories within the block could be based on their individual votes. They'd have one comment thread, avoiding redundant comments (and comments like, "as I mentioned in the other thread"). The groupings could be moderator-controlled, algorithmically-controlled, or even community-influenced.
(6) ignore 'sunk time' in ratings decay. Consider story A, submitted at an inopportune time, say time 0. It starts with one vote. Over the next 6 hours, 4 more votes/resubmissions trickle in. It never hits the front-page and quickly leaves the 'new. Now, at hour 6, elsewhere on the net, story A gets more attention. It's wrapped/aggregated as story B, which is also submitted. In the next 15 minutes, say that A gets another 25 upvotes, while B gets 20 upvotes. I have the strong impression that B will shoot up to the front page -- 20 votes in 15 minutes! - while A will still languish in obscurity -- merely 30 votes over 6 hours. And yet, for the overlapping, recent 15 minute period, story A got more votes. I suggest it ought not be penalized for the prior hours it spent in the doldrums, before it really 'broke' more widely. The right decay function (looking back from now rather than forward from submission time) could make this work. My theory is that removing this extreme recency bias would mean some slow-building stories, from more foundational sources, would get better treatment than well-timed later sensationalizing/oversimplifying rewrites.