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Gemma 3n preview: Mobile-first AI
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I can't speak for anyone else, but these models only seem about as smart as google search, with enormous variability. I can't say I've ever had an interaction with a chatbot that's anything redolent of interaction with intelligence. Now would I take AI as a trivia partner? Absolutely. But that's not really the same as what I look for in "smart" humans.
>anything redolent of interaction with intelligence compared to what you are used to right? I know it's elitist but most people My circle of people I talk with during the day has changed since I took on more charity which consists of fixing up old laptops and installing Ubuntu on them; I get them for free from everyone and I give them to people who cannot afford, including some lessons and remote support (which is ea…
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I assume that "pretty fast" depends on the phone. My old Pixel 4a ran Gemma-3n-E2B-it-int4 without problems. Still, it took over 10 minutes to finish answering "What can you see?" when given an image from my recent photos. Final stats: 15.9 seconds to first token 16.4 tokens/second prefill speed 0.33 tokens/second decode speed 662 seconds to complete the answer
Gemma-3n-E4B-it on my 2022 Galaxy Z Fold 4. CPU: 7.37 seconds to first token 35.55 tokens/second prefill speed 7.09 tokens/second decode speed 27.97 seconds to complete the answer GPU: 1.96 seconds to first token 133.40 tokens/second prefill speed 7.95 tokens/second decode speed 14.80 seconds to complete the answer
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LLMs neither understand nor reason, that has been shown multiple times.
Seems like some don’t like that LLMs aren’t really intelligent. https://neurosciencenews.com/llm-ai-logic-27987/
They trained models on only task specific data, not on a general dataset and certainly not on the enormous datasets frontier models are trained on.
"Our training sets consist of 2.9M sequences (120M tokens) for shortest paths; 31M sequences (1.7B tokens) for noisy shortest paths; and 91M sequences (4.7B tokens) for random walks. We train two types of transformers [38] from scratch using next-token prediction for each dataset: an 89.3M parameter model consisting of 12 layers, 768 hidden dimensions, and 12 heads; and a 1.5B parameter model consisting of 48 layers, 1600 hidden dimensions, and 25 heads."
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I did the same thing on my Pixel Fold. Tried two different images with two different prompts: "What can you see?" and "Describe this image" First image ('Describe', photo of my desk) - 15.6 seconds to first token - 2.6 tokens/second - Total 180 seconds Second image ('What can you see?', photo of a bowl of pasta) - 10.3 seconds to first token - 3.1 tokens/second - Total 26 seconds The Edge Gallery app defaults to CPU…
Pixel 4a release date = August 2020 Pixel Fold was in the Pixel 8 generation but uses the Tensor G2 from the 7s. Pixel 7 release date = October 2022 That's a 26 month difference, yet a full order of magnitude difference in token generation rate on the CPU. Who said Moore's Law is dead? ;)
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#147You can try it on Android right now: Download the Edge Gallery apk from github: https://github.com/google-ai-edge/gallery/releases/tag/1.0.0 Download one of the .task files from huggingface: https://huggingface.co/collections/google/gemma-3n-preview-6... Import the .task file in Edge Gallery with the + bottom right. You can take pictures right from the app. The model is indeed pretty fast.
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Given Apple's track record in dealing with the problem of ballooning app sizes, I'm not holding my breath. The incentives are just not aligned – Apple earns $$$ on each GB of extra storage users have to buy.
They earn from in-app purchases too!
Only half joking. I really do think the majority of that revenue will be going away.