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My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

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Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

#41
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Genuine question : why are all those fonts serif ones? I personnaly find them much harder to read than sans serif ones (including when printed on paper, not just on screens).

It is likely that you find them harder to read mostly because you are less habituated to them.

For many of the older generations, who have spent their childhood reading thousands of books printed using serif fonts, at a time when there was no easy access to computer terminals, serif fonts are easier to read.

In general, the readability of a typeface is determined more by other features than by whether it is has or it does not have serifs.

The sans serif typefaces have appeared first after the Napoleonic wars, as simplified typefaces, suitable for low-quality printing used for titles or advertisements that should be readable from a distance.

Having simplified letter forms, sans serif typefaces remain preferable for low-resolution displays of for very small text or for text that must be read from a great distance.

However, until WWII, the simplification of the letter forms has been pushed too far, resulting in many letters that are too similar, so they can no longer be distinguished. There are many such sans serif typefaces that have been modified very little from their pre-WWII ancestors, like Helvetica and Arial, which are too simplified so that they should be avoided in any computing applications due to the great probability of misreading anything that is not plain English.

After WWII, and especially after 1990, there has been a reversal in the evolution of the sans serif typefaces, away from excessive simplification and towards making them more similar to serif typefaces, except for the serifs.

A well-known example of such a sans-serif typeface is FF Meta (Erik Spiekermann, 1991), but it had a lot of imitators. Such non-simplified sans-serifs typefaces have e.g. traditional Caroline shapes for the lower-case "a", "g" and "l" and also true italic variants (i.e. not just oblique variants).

Besides the removal of serifs, a traditional simplification in the sans serif typefaces is the removal of the contrast between thin lines and thick lines, making the thickness of the lines uniform. At least for me, any long text printed with a font with uniform line thickness looks boring, so I strongly prefer the sans serif fonts that go even further in their resemblance with serif fonts, by having thin lines and thick lines, for example Optima nova and Palatino Sans.

While any sans serif typeface by definition does not have serifs, when Hermann Zapf has designed Optima (which was released in 1958), he has found an alternative to serifs, which achieves a similar optical effect. Starting from a line that has the form of a long rectangle, instead of attaching serifs to the ends, one can make the 2 lateral long edges of the rectangle concave, instead of flat. After that, one has 2 alternatives for how to terminate the ends of the line. The first is to also make concave the 2 short terminal edges. This results in sharp corners for the line and it is the solution chosen by Zapf in Optima. The second method of line termination is to keep the terminal edges flat or even slightly convex and to round the corners where they meet the concave lateral edges. This is the method chosen by Akira Kobayashi in Palatino Sans (2006), under the influence of the similar line terminations used in Cooper Black and in the rounded sans-serif typefaces that are popular for public signage in Japan.

This alternative to serifs, with concave lateral edges, is in my opinion superior both to serifs and to classic sans serifs, but unfortunately it is effective only on very high-resolution displays or on paper (even a cheap laser printer has better resolution than the most expensive monitors), because on low resolution monitors any slightly concave edges will become straight.

In any case, for the best readability, I never use fonts with ambiguous characters, like Helvetica/Arial and most other sans serifs. Instead of that, serif fonts are better, but even better are good modern sans serifs which have been designed carefully, to have distinctive characters. With good monitors, fonts with contrast between thin lines and thick lines, or even with concave lateral line edges, are preferable.

I read this HN thread rendered in the Palatino Sans mentioned in TFA (with the italic of Palatino nova configured as its italic form; the italic of Palatino Sans Informal is also a good choice, but I prefer a stronger contrast between the regular and the italic variants of a font; that is why I have also configured the italic of Bauer Bodoni as the italic for Optima nova).

While in TFA Palatino Sans was dismissed with regret, for having to be purchased, I have bought Palatino Sans, together with a few other high-quality typefaces and I use them on Linux, instead of the available free fonts. I consider the money that I have spent on good typefaces as some of the best purchasing decisions that I have made.

However, for CLI/TUI applications and program editing, I use the free JetBrains Mono. Unlike for regular text, for programming there are many high-quality free fonts, but I prefer JetBrains Mono because it supports an extended character set, with many Unicode mathematical symbols that are missing in other programming fonts.

Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

#42
post #33

Palatino with Microtype is my go to for all my LaTeX documents. It looks so good.

Palatino and Baskerville are underrated. I don’t know why Times is the default in so many things.

Back in school we were told essays had to be submitted (as paper printouts, this was early 2000s of course) in Times. The rebel that I am, I submitted them set in Baskerville as I loved how much better it looked.

Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

#43

Kind of expensive but there isn't actually a lot of choice for fonts with matching math fonts so for my PhD thesis I used Minion 3 + MinionMath. For mono fonts there are a lot of nice choices but I used PragmataPro for no other reasons that I own it and it provided a nice readable contrast. Otherwise for the free options, Palatino+mathpazo or StixTwoText + StixTwoMath are quite good options. Honestly anything but Com…

MLModern [0] is a thicker version of Donald Knuth's Computer Modern and the Latin Modern project, in case you are interested.

[0] https://ctan.org/pkg/mlmodern

Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

#44
post #36

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Your link is the most authentic LaTeX experience for beginners: fonts with no preview/screenshot on their homepage... LaTeX users already know it, why make screenshots :D The blog post does this some justice though, the author does live in the current century, and does have nice examples. /me is former LaTeX user from uni, not overly fond of it, for usability issues not unrelated to its legacy.

CTAN is the central repository for all TeX packages, it's the natural link to give. If you want to see examples it's as easy as clicking on the relevant package name (eg XCharter) and then click 'Package documentation' which will request the relevant pdf. TeX outputs into PDF so it's the natural medium for demonstrating and documenting things. It's got nothing to do with not 'living in the current century'.

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Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

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Does anyone have any suggested fonts for presentations in the beamer package?

I always use Atkinson Hyperlegible. It's great for the bad presentation situations one often is in (bad presenters, or simply the head of the person in front of you cutting off the lower part of the letters).

Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

#46
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your link is the most authentic LaTeX experience for beginners: fonts with no preview/screenshot on their homepage... LaTeX users already know it, why make screenshots :D The blog post does this some justice though, the author does live in the current century, and does have nice examples. /me is former LaTeX user from uni, not overly fond of it, for usability issues not unrelated to its legacy.

CTAN is the central repository for all TeX packages, it's the natural link to give. If you want to see examples it's as easy as clicking on the relevant package name (eg XCharter) and then click 'Package documentation' which will request the relevant pdf. TeX outputs into PDF so it's the natural medium for demonstrating and documenting things. It's got nothing to do with not 'living in the current century'.

The word 'natural' is doing titanic work in your sentences here ... :)

Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

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When I was at university I'd sometimes print PDFs as 4 pages per side to save paper, and some LaTeX-generated PDFs had some horrible font that became unreadably pixelated (while on screen it looked fine iirc). Not all PDFs were like this but LaTeX ones more often were culprits.

HTML on the other hand printed perfect tiny vector glyphs, so it wasn't the printer's fault.

I don't know enough now to find back what bad font this was back then, but I hope the situation is better today for LaTeX PDFs...

Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

#48

Kind of expensive but there isn't actually a lot of choice for fonts with matching math fonts so for my PhD thesis I used Minion 3 + MinionMath. For mono fonts there are a lot of nice choices but I used PragmataPro for no other reasons that I own it and it provided a nice readable contrast. Otherwise for the free options, Palatino+mathpazo or StixTwoText + StixTwoMath are quite good options. Honestly anything but Com…

+1 for Minion Pro, Minion Math, and PragmataPro. Those fonts have been my preferred defaults for years now. While they are expensive, it is worth it to write in a beautiful font and to compensate the artistic work that went into making them.

Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

#49
post #18

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My standard font package is "mathpazo", which is Palatino with maths support. I obviously like Palatino - and if it isn't available, Garamond is similar. If ever have to do much LaTeX again though, I'll check out the alternatives because the mess of partially compatible modules and the troubles with figure placement are still bad in LaTeX.

It’s hard to see Palatino and Garamond as similar, but perhaps that’s just my typographic training at play. Palatino is much closer to its calligraphic origins than Garamond and has a darker color on the page (the seldom seen Palatino Book weight is a great improvement over the Palatino Medium that’s the default Palatino weight for extended text). Note also that Palatino was originally designed for Linotype hot metal…

They are both derived from medieval scripts and they have fairly bold serifs, right? Would you agree that they are more similar to each other than to Times New Roman or Computer Modern (which I both dislike for their thin and pointy serifs)?

Re: My favourite fonts to use with LaTeX (2022)

#50
post #8

Palatino with Microtype is my go to for all my LaTeX documents. It looks so good.

Palatino has been my favorite font since it first appeared on the Macintosh.

As the only oldstyle font in the "original 35" Postscript desktop publishing fonts (think "original seven" Mercury astronauts), Palatino saw overuse. Among some designers it's second only to Comic Sans for its amateur use infamy.

I'm among the guilty. Palatino does appear spread out compared to alternatives, for better or worse.

The article does note that Palatino was originally designed for display text. I had long heard that Hermann Zapf was horrified at its adoption as a body font, which I couldn't confirm. The best I could do was to find a quote,

"One day I got up the nerve to ask 'Mr Zapf, what do you do?' He replied, 'I correct the errors of my youth.'"

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