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xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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It's hard to believe it is Elon either, I don't think he would know how unless they made a special interface for him

He is the CEO of a company, he can personally ask someone to do it for him.

But implementation was too messy for someone with expertise to do it on CEO's request

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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As someone developing agents using LLMs on various platform, im very reluctant to use anything associated with xAI. Grok's training data is increasingly pulled from an increasingly toxic source. Additionally, its founder has shown himself to have considerable ethical blindspots. Ive got enough second-order effects to be wary of. I cannot risk using technology with ethical concerns surrounding it as the foundation of…

Valid concerns here. I don't even see why this comment was flagged. Is there a cohort of YC users that have an agenda against this sort of opinion?

I would not be surprised if X/Grok management forced staff to make social media flagging runs throughout the day. Just look at the insane comment graveyard for this post.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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I can't think of a less trustworthy group of people on model alignment. They claimed that they had a rogue actor who deployed their 'white genocide' prompt, but that either means they have zero technical controls in their release pipeline (unforgivable at their scale) or they are lying (unforgivable given their level of responsibility). The prompt issue is a canary in the coal mine, it signals that they will absolute…

I agree, Alignment is very important when considering which LLM to use. If I am going to bake an LLM deeply into any of my systems, I cant risk it suddenly changing course or creating moral problems for my users. Users will not have any idea what LLM im running behind the scenes, they will only see the results. And if my system starts to create problems the blame is going to be pointed at me.

See, if I was creating a product I would absolutely agree with you. I'd want an AI with tight guardrails, so innocuous that it would never deviate the slightest bit from a bland, center-left, vaguely corporate style of communication.

As a user, though, I want just the opposite. I want as close to uncensored with no guardrails as I can get. Nobody is giving you that unless you run your own models at home. But Grok is a little closer. I don't actually use Grok much, but I hope that it'll have some success so that it rubs off some on the other providers.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Teslas have always been objectively bad cars. Inconsistent panel gaps, bad paint from the factory, poor build quality, etc. The car folks have always known this. It’s taken elons politics for tech folks to realize.

I’ve always disliked their lack of physical buttons and general interior aesthetic. However, a buddy of mine got T-boned in one by a distracted driver running a light at high speed, and he walked away fine. The car was completely mangled except for passenger space where it held. I’ve not called it a bad car after seeing photos from that.

The car met crash standards? Literally the bare minimum.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Actually the first versions of Grok had the same "left leaning" bias as other models since it turns out that bias is in the data that everyone is using to train on), so if Grok is now more right leaning it is because they have deliberately manipulated it to be so. This also begs the question, does it make sense to call something a "bias" when that is the majority view (i.e. reflected in bulk of training data) ?

Does it make sense to call something “the majority view” when most news websites shut down their comment sections a decade ago so that you can’t see what other readers really think?

What makes you think that comments sections on news sites are anything other than playgrounds for sentiment-modifying propaganda by various intelligence services?

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Could say the same about Tesla cars, yet they don't sell that well any more.

Teslas have always been objectively bad cars. Inconsistent panel gaps, bad paint from the factory, poor build quality, etc. The car folks have always known this. It’s taken elons politics for tech folks to realize.

Correct. The only reason Tesla even stood a chance is they had close to zero competition.

As soon as the car companies who, you know, know how to make cars starting dipping their toes in, it was over. It takes time for inertia to be overcome but it will, and once that inflection point is reached there's nothing anyone can do.

Tesla could have prevented this by being proactive and chasing new designs and new interiors before they felt any pressure to. But like all American companies, once they have even a hint of market success, they give up. They just keep doing whatever they're doing because clearly it's working.

Until one day you look around and your competition is 10 years ahead of you and you've been sitting with your thumb up your ass. Oops. Better catch up right now. Except you can't, so you rush it, and then your quality and delivery suffers even more, so the gap only widens because while you're playing catch-up your competitors just keep marching forward.

We saw it with GM, we saw it with Ford, and now we're seeing it with Tesla. Is this unavoidable?

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Do you ask specifically for Linux or just skeptic/caustic in general?

Specifically for Linus Torvalds, the author or Linux He has a very distinctive style and large amount of training data from all the reviews and emails he made while collaborating on Linux And as he manages a huge project that's in development for decades , he has to be very strict about the quality

And its fairly constructive, at least when I tried in Gemini 2.5 awhile back. Like yes its caustic (fantastic word) but it does so in a way thats constructive in its counterargument to reach a better outcome.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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First, I think the fact that grok basically refused to comply with those hamfisted instructions is a positive signal in the whole mess. How do you know other models are just as heavily skewed but just less open about them? The real alignment issue today is not about AGI, but about hidden biases. Second, your comments comes across as if "centrist" has a bad connotation, almost as code for someone of lesser moral virtu…

> Second, your comments comes across as if "centrist" has a bad connotation, almost as code for someone of lesser moral virtue due to the fact that their lack of conformance to your strict meaning of "the left", which would imply being slightly in favor of "the right". A "desire", as you called it, perhaps arising from uncivilized impulse rather than purposeful choice. Centrism and compromise are the enemies of extre…

Centrism is also the ultimate defense of the status-quo, meaning you have a bias towards the status-quo.

The fallacy here is that the status-quo is reasonable therefore being a centrist is reasonable and being a not-centrist is unreasonable.

Just because the status-quo is the status-quo and is in the "middle" does not make it reasonable. For example, the status-quo in Israel right now is performing a genocide. The centrists in Israeli politics are pro-genocide. The "extremists", as you say, are anti-genocide.

The current political landscape of the US is far-right. Where does that leave centrists? This is up to you to dissect.

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