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Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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As I see it, the solution to this is to invest in open source. As for a "survival situation", a solar-powered laptop with a locally running LLM would definitely be the first item on my list.

It shouldn't be, because LLM:s can't be trusted in the way literature can. People around you are also going to question why you insist on such a power hungry setup.

I’m not suggesting LLMs are infallible, but boy you’re overselling the accuracy of literature

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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> Google’s ability to offer inference for free is a massive competitive advantage vs everyone else: Haven't tried Jules myself yet, still playing around with Codex, but personally I don't really care if it's free or not. If it solves my problems better than the others, then I'll use it, otherwise I'll use other things. I'm sure I'm not alone in focusing on how well it works, rather than what it costs (until a certain…

Technically speaking,the strategy they execute is called "Loss Leader". As Loss Leader, the company offers a product at a reduced price to attract users, create stickiness, and through that aims to capture the market. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lossleader.asp

"Loss leader" sounds way better than "price dumping".

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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I was interested. Clicked the try button and just another wait list. When will Google learn that the method that worked so well with Gmail doesn't work any more. There are so many shiny toys to play with now, I will have forgotten about this tomorrow.

I assume they weren't intending to release it today, and didn't have it ready, but didn't want people thinking that they were just following in Github's footprints.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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I used Jules three times today, very impressive! It also handles coding-adjacent work. Good github integrations.

How does it validate that what it writes works? Does it try to run tests or compile?

It starts up a VPS, builds and runs modified code. It did this perfectly while modifying an existing Clojure project.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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I'll just put this here: > And so it is that you by reason of your tender regard for the writing that is your offspring have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. > What y…

Hm, I think Plato is largely true; not in the sense that writing is a harmful crutch, but in the sense that simply being able to read something is not a substitute for knowing it. I think we can see that at play here on HN and on the larger internet all the time: people who read a paper or article, and then attempt to discuss it, without realizing that their understanding of the material is entirely incorrect. These…

I understand where Socrates/Plato is coming from, but this doesn't match my experience. I had no "lack of teaching", having sat through about 18 years of it in total, but I definitely have a better average recollection of things that I read of my own interest than things I was "taught". Maybe things would have been different if I had a world class philosopher as a personal tutor, but alas that was not to be.

If were to rephrase it, I would put the distinction not between teaching and reading, but between passive consumption and active learning.

EDIT: Thinking more about having a world class philosopher as a personal tutor, I suddenly remembered a quote from Russell that took me a while to track down, but here it is:

> In 343 B.C. he [Aristotle] became tutor to Alexander, then thirteen years old, and continued in that position until, at the age of sixteen ... Everything one would wish to know of the relations of Aristotle and Alexander is unascertainable, the more so as legends were soon invented on the subject. There are letters between them which are generally regarded as forgeries. People who admire both men suppose that the tutor influenced the pupil. Hegel thinks that Alexander's career shows the practical usefulness of philosophy. As to this, A. W. Benn says: "It would be unfortunate if philosophy had no better testimonial to show for herself than the character of Alexander. . . . Arrogant, drunken, cruel, vindictive, and grossly superstitious, he united the vices of a Highland chieftain to the frenzy of an Oriental despot."

> ... As to Aristotle's influence on him, we are left free to conjecture whatever seems to us most plausible. For my part, I should suppose it nil.

- "A History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell, Chapter XIX p. 160

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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There are some limits: > 2 concurrent tasks > 5 total tasks per day

5 tasks per day is low enough to be roughly useless for serious work

No, one task is a complete work cycle. I was only able to use up three tasks yesterday.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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The copy though: "Spend your time doing what you want to do!" followed by images of play video games (I presume), ride a bicycle, read a book, and play table tennis. I am cool with all of that but it feels like they're suggesting that coding is a chore to be avoided, rather than a creative and enjoyable activity.

Also implying I wouldn't want to fix bugs or colleague's code, those are the things I love most about being a developer. Also I don't mind version bumping at all and the only reason why I "don't like" writing tests is that writing "good" tests is the hardest thing for me in development (knowing what to test for and why, knowing what to mock and when, the constant feeling that I'm forgetting an edge case...) and AI st…

yesterday I had Jules write tests, and other improvements twice. The tests were pretty good, and of course Jules built the modified code in a VPS and ran it.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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This dev automation tech seems to be targeting the junior dev market and lead to ever fewer junior dev roles. Less junior dev roles means less senior devs. For all the code smart folks that live here, I find very little critical thinking regarding the consequences of this tech for the dev market and the industry in general. No, it's not take your job. And no, just because it doesn't affect you now does not mean that it won't be bad for you in the near future. Do you want to spend your career BUILDING cool stuff or FIXING and REVIEWING AI codebases?

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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So absurd. As if your boss is going to let you go play tennis during the day because Jules is doing your work. If all of these tools really do make people 20-100% more productive like they say (I doubt it) the value is going to accrue to ownership, not to labor.

Shhhh... don't tell the plebes what it really means to "2x their productivity". Seriously though, this kind of tech-assisted work output improvement has happened many times in the past, and by now we should all have been working 4-hour weeks, but we all know how it has actually worked out.

As a business owner, why would give up some of the profits? You started a business to make money not to do charity. Expecting businesses to act against their interests make no sense

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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post #107

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And if you don't sign up quickly after your turn in the queue comes up, you might miss the service altogether, because Google will have shut it down already.

And if you are from Germany you can't even join the list. First I needed to verify it is really me. Get a confirmation code to my recovery mail. Get a code to my cell phone number. And than all I got is a service restricted message.

It worked for me with a gsuite account from germany
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