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xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by bilbo0s »

Gigachad wrote: post #118
scuol wrote: post #19

It still seems to have the problems most other LLMs suffer with except Gemini: it loses context so quickly. I asked it about a paper I was looking at (SLOG [0]) and it basically lost the context of what "slog" referred to after 3 prompts. 1. I asked for an example transaction illustrating the key advantages of the SLOG approach. It responded with some general DB transaction stuff. 2. I then said "no use slog like we…

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You never know when it will start spouting it either. That kind of uncertainty in the responses landing in your interface is just not sustainable. Your money is coming from the quality of the content your system is putting out. If it's being used for dentistry, and it randomly spits out white supremacist content, dentists will look for a system that won't do that. Because they asked about, say, intaglio surfaces for a wearable dental appliance. Not a treatise on white genocide.

At this point, to use Grok, you'd be intentionally setting your startup to detonate itself at some random point in the future. That's just not how you make money.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by Planktonne »

mhh__ wrote: post #121
adrr wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least two times they had unauthorized changes to their prompts to inject far right content that showed up on random content. imagine you're using it for a chat bot and it starts spouting off white nationalist content like "great replacement" theory. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk...

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> from London which is now what 35% English

How are you defining "English" here?

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by Mashimo »

xemane wrote: post #159
stuaxo wrote: post #154

Not sure why Microsoft would be fine with the reputational damage of dealing with Elon, but here we are.

Lmfao. Why would anyone care about Musk's politics when using Azure + Grok. If it's good for the job, it's good for the job.

Could say the same about Tesla cars, yet they don't sell that well any more.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by WhyIsItAlwaysHN »

drkleiner wrote: post #157
Gigachad wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem was not the source of the training data. xAI confirmed that the system prompt had been modified to make grok talk about South African white genocide. While they didn’t say who modified it. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t Elon.

It's hard to believe it is Elon either, I don't think he would know how unless they made a special interface for him

He is the CEO of a company, he can personally ask someone to do it for him.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Gigachad wrote: post #146
HenryBemis wrote: post #142

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So.. If the 'source' of data is 9gag, 4chan, you will get 'this' material. If you feed it Tumlr, you will get Harry Potter and rope-porn-thingies. If you feed it Hitler's speeches, you will get 'that' material. If you feed it algebra, you will get 'that' material. Then.. Do we want 'open' or 'curated' LLMs? And how far from reality are the curated LLMs? And how far can curated LLMs take us (black Nazis? female US fou…

The problem was not the source of the training data. xAI confirmed that the system prompt had been modified to make grok talk about South African white genocide. While they didn’t say who modified it. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t Elon.

> While they didn’t say who modified it. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t Elon.

Is it really that hard to understand how these things happen?

The boss says "remove bias" but the peons don't really know how to do that and the naive approach to unbiasing a thing is to introduce bias in the other direction. And then if you're Google and the boss thinks it has a right-wing bias you crook it and get black Nazis and if you're xAI and the boss thinks it has a left-wing bias you get white genocide.

In both cases the actual problem is when people think bias operates like an arithmetic sum, because it doesn't.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by archagon »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #166
Gigachad wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem was not the source of the training data. xAI confirmed that the system prompt had been modified to make grok talk about South African white genocide. While they didn’t say who modified it. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t Elon.

> While they didn’t say who modified it. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t Elon. Is it really that hard to understand how these things happen? The boss says "remove bias" but the peons don't really know how to do that and the naive approach to unbiasing a thing is to introduce bias in the other direction. And then if you're Google and the boss thinks it has a right-wing bias you crook it and get black Nazis and if you'r…

Except someone clearly wanted Grok to talk about some very specific South African phrases and events, not just “remove bias” in the general sense.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by torben-friis »

tmpz22 wrote: post #105
vasusen wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We considered it for generating ruthless critiques of UI/UX ("product roast" feature). Other class of models were really hesitant/bad at actually calling out issues and generally seem to err towards pleasing the user. Here's a simple example I tried just now. Grok correctly removed mushrooms, but Chatgpt continues to try adding everything (I assume to be more compliant with the user): I only have pineapples, mushroom…

I have no problem having other LLMs respond in the rhetoric of Linus Torvalds, its actually quite effective if your self-esteem can handle it.

Do you ask specifically for Linux or just skeptic/caustic in general?
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