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UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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The biggest question is why are they doing things they obviously dislike. Even peer pressure can't really explain it.

The same question can be asked of any kind of addictive behavior.

Exactly. I’m sure many smokers would say they would prefer a world without cigarettes.

Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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Highly specific subset of Internet. Not to disagree, but this is like saying people want to terminate voltage delivery to the home because they don't like radio.

> Highly specific subset of Internet. Can I ask what you're basing that assertion on? The article makes it sound as if they were indeed referring to the internet in general: "46% said they would rather be young in a world without the internet altogether."

I don’t think many young people know what “The Internet” is. They probably just think it’s social media. Or “apps.” Heck, a lot of people who grew up with the Internet still confuse the web with the Internet.

Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ever wondered why Indians are not able to google? Because google costs money, facebook groups doesn't This is absolutely wrong. FB did that in SE Asia. But in India, this led to the creation of IIRC Internet Freedom Foundation which fights for Internet freedom to this day and established a strong foundation for net neutrality . FB tried to destroy net neutrality in India and failed. But the broader point stands. Wh…

> FB tried to destroy net neutrality in India and failed. FB to this date still owns the internet.org domain, which was literally their marketing at the time. Free plans from mobile carriers had/have access to a few selected websites and not the rest of the real internet. While I agree that the courts decided against this at some point, it was around 13+ years too late, because a generation of mobile users got hooked…

That internet.org "generation of mobile users" was before smartphones became ubiquitous and Jio (cheap connectivity) came into picture, and so is negligible.

It wasn't even successful in its own time - the ISPs that partnered with FB for internet.org at that time got submerged soon after. Absolutely nothing of that legacy remains. You will find it difficult to catch netizens in India who even remember FB's Free Basics.

Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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Easy they can get a feature phone and delete all social media accounts.

Feature phones (generally) aren't capable of providing mobile banking/payments and navigation apps, which is something most have taken for granted

Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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The biggest question is why are they doing things they obviously dislike. Even peer pressure can't really explain it.

Invisible hand… economy ostensibly runs on tech investment. Toddlers to oldest alive have a smartphone in the first world.

So you’re correct, it’s not peer pressure, it’s everyone pressure.

Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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Highly specific subset of Internet. Not to disagree, but this is like saying people want to terminate voltage delivery to the home because they don't like radio.

Or like abolishing all electrical/internal-combustion vehicles, but what they actually want is a walkable neighborhood.

Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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For most people, Snapchat, Tiktok, Discord, WhatsApp and other toxic environments is the de facto internet because it makes up 99% of their usage time. It gets worse in poorer countries, where ISPs made deals with Facebook (ever wondered why some Indians are not able to google? Because google costs money, facebook groups doesn't). Additionally, whole infrastructures run on WhatsApp. In those regions you'll see WhatsA…

> that we created a whole generation of kids with self-induced ADHD

There is no evidence that social media/internet/whatever use causes ADHD, it's a neurological disorder, not a psychological one. The modern internet is harmful for the attention span and mental health, but that's not the same as ADHD.

Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll give them 24 hours until they ask for YouTube and Netflix again [1]. Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1348/ [1] And how is call that new video thing? TikTakToe?

Yeah. The xkcd is right. But it was less stressful at the same time. The shared reality was the 6 pm news. No endless conspiracy theories.

"Shared reality" - lovely phrase! That's the thing that's missing for most people. In the office everyone is watching different tv shows, movies, listening to different music etc. There isn't much shared reality, at least in the way I remember as a child. Even my own kid has a show she's found on Netflix that she enjoys but none of her peers knows about, or cares to know about.

Re: UK study: Almost half of young people would prefer a world without internet

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Easy they can get a feature phone and delete all social media accounts.

Already done. Allows life to focus on more valuable things, like in the past. A Nokia in the bag for work and a tablet with a cracked screen in the cupboard for banking.
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