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Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by mhh__ »

adrr wrote: post #115
jampa wrote: post #37

Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it: - Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks - ChatGPT has the best image generation - Claude is leading in coding solutions - Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source - Qwen has impressive lightweight models. But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has…

At least two times they had unauthorized changes to their prompts to inject far right content that showed up on random content. imagine you're using it for a chat bot and it starts spouting off white nationalist content like "great replacement" theory. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk...

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Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by airstrike »

wormlord wrote: post #23

The desire to be "centrist" on HN is perplexing to me. The fact that Elon, a white south african, made his AI go crazy by adding some text about "white genocide", is factual and should be taken into consideration if you want to have an honest discussion about ethics in tech. Pretending like you can't evaluate the technology politically because it's "biased" is just a separate bias, one in defence of whoever controls…

First, I think the fact that grok basically refused to comply with those hamfisted instructions is a positive signal in the whole mess. How do you know other models are just as heavily skewed but just less open about them? The real alignment issue today is not about AGI, but about hidden biases.

Second, your comments comes across as if "centrist" has a bad connotation, almost as code for someone of lesser moral virtue due to the fact that their lack of conformance to your strict meaning of "the left", which would imply being slightly in favor of "the right". A "desire", as you called it, perhaps arising from uncivilized impulse rather than purposeful choice.

In reality, politics is more of a field than a single dimension, and people may very well have their reasons to reject both "the left" and "the right" without being morally bankrupt.

Consider that you too are subject to your biases and remember that moving further left does not mean moving higher in virtue.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by jeffbee »

mhh__ wrote: post #121
adrr wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least two times they had unauthorized changes to their prompts to inject far right content that showed up on random content. imagine you're using it for a chat bot and it starts spouting off white nationalist content like "great replacement" theory. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk...

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Do you recall anything about the history of England? For example did the Indians vote to become subjects of the Queen?

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by michaelmrose »

dilap wrote: post #53
michaelmrose wrote: post #21

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https://x.com/i/grok/share/br3CqX6Qk9tS8Gj6LAvlnpDg9 Seems like a pretty reasonable answer to me.

It isn't though because its not a complex and nuanced issue whatsoever. It's no different than teaching the controversy about evolution or seeing both sides of the holocaust. It is part of a planned coup against our government.

Furthermore if you push it then it stops responding and refuses to answer at all.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by michaelmrose »

aruametello wrote: post #49
michaelmrose wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it more correct or useful in its output or do you mean it nailed a desirable conversational tone like a pleasantly rendered lorem ipsum.

he might be referring to the data in https://lmarena.ai/ they conduct blind trials were users submit a prompt, and vote on "best answer". grok holds a very good position in its leaderboard.

In general and quickly chosen "best answer" is perhaps not the best means to analyze such output because people are on average very very stupid and at time of immediate reception less than ideally situated to discern quality of output especially if it concerns data that they aren't intimately familiar with.

For instance the lawyers who submitted briefs with references to fake cases and fake precedents were presumably satisfied with the output at time of reception but less so when they got sanctioned for thousands of dollars for presenting lies to a judge in place of truth.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by duskwuff »

adrr wrote: post #115
jampa wrote: post #37

Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it: - Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks - ChatGPT has the best image generation - Claude is leading in coding solutions - Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source - Qwen has impressive lightweight models. But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has…

At least two times they had unauthorized changes to their prompts to inject far right content that showed up on random content. imagine you're using it for a chat bot and it starts spouting off white nationalist content like "great replacement" theory. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk...

What was the other time? The incident linked at the bottom of that article ("into trouble last year") wasn't an "unauthorized change", as far as I'm aware; it was a general lack of guardrails on image generation.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by somenameforme »

wormlord wrote: post #23

The desire to be "centrist" on HN is perplexing to me. The fact that Elon, a white south african, made his AI go crazy by adding some text about "white genocide", is factual and should be taken into consideration if you want to have an honest discussion about ethics in tech. Pretending like you can't evaluate the technology politically because it's "biased" is just a separate bias, one in defence of whoever controls…

It's far more likely that an employee injected malicious code, exactly as said. Elon's become a divisive figure in a country filled with lots of crazy people, to the point of there been relatively widescale acts of criminality, just to try to spite him. Somebody trying to screw over the company seems far more believable than Elon deciding to effectively break Grok to rant about things in wholly inappropriate contexts.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by convivialdingo »

scuol wrote: post #19

It still seems to have the problems most other LLMs suffer with except Gemini: it loses context so quickly. I asked it about a paper I was looking at (SLOG [0]) and it basically lost the context of what "slog" referred to after 3 prompts. 1. I asked for an example transaction illustrating the key advantages of the SLOG approach. It responded with some general DB transaction stuff. 2. I then said "no use slog like we…

When I use the "think" mode it retains context for longer. I tested with 5k lines of c compiler code and I could 6 prompts in before it started forgetting or generalizing

I'll say that grok is really excellent at helping my understand the codebase, but some miss-named functions or variables will trip it up..

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Post by somenameforme »

wormlord wrote: post #43
fallingknife wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you just evaluating these claims based on things you've heard from biased sources (which is all of them) too? How do you know that your biased perspective is any more correct than Grok's bias?

How do I know the earth didn't spontaneously appear into existence yesterday? This line of argumentation is stupid.

One good reason is because you have no logical reason to think it did. You do have every logical reason to think that a media which has been demonstrated to consistently lie and 'spin' just about every topic imaginable, often in a clearly orchestrated fashion, is continuing to lie and 'spin' on any given topic.
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