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Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by Avicebron »

noduerme wrote: post #36
falcor84 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just put this here: > And so it is that you by reason of your tender regard for the writing that is your offspring have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. > What y…

But did you memorize that quote, or was it sufficient to know its gist so you could google it?

At least with writing it's fairly easy to implement on your own with little more than what most people would have available in a rudimentary survival situation. It'll be a tough day when someone goes to sign into their GoogleLife (tm) and find out that they can't get AI access because "precluding conditions agreed to upon signing"

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by esafak »

ramesh31 wrote: post #22
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a nuance worth exploring. The world is being optimized for clockwatchers who want to do their work with the least amount of effort. Before long (if not already) people who enjoy their craft, and think of their work as a craft, will be ridiculed for wanting to do it themselves.

>The world is being optimized for clockwatchers who want to do their work with the least amount of effort. Before long (if not already) people who enjoy their craft, and think of their work as a craft, will be ridiculed for wanting to do it themselves. There is one clock you should be watching regardless, which is the clock of your life. Your code will not come see you in the hospital, or cheer you up when you're hav…

You could say the same about every job, so you are really arguing against jobs in general. Who's going to help you fix your sciatica if your doctor and physical therapist think like that?

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by ijidak »

xiphias2 wrote: post #31
diggan wrote: post #24

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> That's all good and well but its takes time to compare the products Hence many of us are still busy trying out Codex to it's full extent :) > And people are rarely willing to use paid product for comparison. Yeah, and I'm usually the same, unless there is some free trial or similar, I'm unlikely to spend money unless I know it's good. My own calculation changed with the coming of better LLMs though. Even paying 200…

I haven't read too much from others, but personally for me Codex online form was the biggest productivity boost in coding since the original Copilot. Cursor just deleted my unit tests too many times in agent mode. Codex 5x-ed my output, though the code is worse than I would write it, at this point the productivity improvement with passing tests, not deleting tests is just too good to be ignored anymore.

What do you mean by "online form"?

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by Y_Y »

thorum wrote: post #4

Google’s ability to offer inference for free is a massive competitive advantage vs everyone else: > Is Jules free of charge? > Yes, for now, Jules is free of charge. Jules is in beta and available without payment while we learn from usage. In the future, we expect to introduce pricing, but our focus right now is improving the developer experience. https://jules-documentation.web.app/faq

I feel like this (and I know it's big tech tradition) had the same economic effect as dumping.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dumping.asp

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by falcor84 »

noduerme wrote: post #36
falcor84 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just put this here: > And so it is that you by reason of your tender regard for the writing that is your offspring have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. > What y…

But did you memorize that quote, or was it sufficient to know its gist so you could google it?

Oh definitely the latter. My memory is too far gone from a lifetime of reading. May the next generation avoid my dire fate.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by ryandrake »

_pdp_ wrote: post #9

The copy though: "Spend your time doing what you want to do!" followed by images of play video games (I presume), ride a bicycle, read a book, and play table tennis. I am cool with all of that but it feels like they're suggesting that coding is a chore to be avoided, rather than a creative and enjoyable activity.

Yea, as a hobbyist, I like to program. This sales pitch is like trying to sell me a robot that goes bicycle riding for me. Wait a minute... I like to ride my bicycle!

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by insin »

ramesh31 wrote: post #22
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a nuance worth exploring. The world is being optimized for clockwatchers who want to do their work with the least amount of effort. Before long (if not already) people who enjoy their craft, and think of their work as a craft, will be ridiculed for wanting to do it themselves.

>The world is being optimized for clockwatchers who want to do their work with the least amount of effort. Before long (if not already) people who enjoy their craft, and think of their work as a craft, will be ridiculed for wanting to do it themselves. There is one clock you should be watching regardless, which is the clock of your life. Your code will not come see you in the hospital, or cheer you up when you're hav…

The opposite of a clockwatcher isn't a workaholic, it's someone enjoying writing code and the collaboration, problem solving and design process which leads to what you end up writing, and enjoying _doing it well_ inside normal work hours, remarking at how quickly the clock is going when they do check it.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by diggan »

ijidak wrote: post #44
xiphias2 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't read too much from others, but personally for me Codex online form was the biggest productivity boost in coding since the original Copilot. Cursor just deleted my unit tests too many times in agent mode. Codex 5x-ed my output, though the code is worse than I would write it, at this point the productivity improvement with passing tests, not deleting tests is just too good to be ignored anymore.

What do you mean by "online form"?

Codex seems to also be available via CLI (https://github.com/openai/codex) as well as via the web (https://chatgpt.com/codex).
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