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Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by xiphias2 »

diggan wrote: post #24
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #19

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That's all good and well but its takes time to compare the products. And people are rarely willing to use paid product for comparison.

> That's all good and well but its takes time to compare the products Hence many of us are still busy trying out Codex to it's full extent :) > And people are rarely willing to use paid product for comparison. Yeah, and I'm usually the same, unless there is some free trial or similar, I'm unlikely to spend money unless I know it's good. My own calculation changed with the coming of better LLMs though. Even paying 200…

I haven't read too much from others, but personally for me Codex online form was the biggest productivity boost in coding since the original Copilot.

Cursor just deleted my unit tests too many times in agent mode.

Codex 5x-ed my output, though the code is worse than I would write it, at this point the productivity improvement with passing tests, not deleting tests is just too good to be ignored anymore.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by falcor84 »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #12
candiddevmike wrote: post #8

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You're the product here, though. EDIT: legal link doesn't work here ( https://jules-documentation.web.app/faq#does-jules-train-on-... ) > No. Jules does not train on private repository content. Privacy is a core principle for Jules, and we do not use your private repositories to train models. Learn more about how your data is used to improve Jules. It's hard to tell what the data collection will be, but it's most lik…

They're going to make so much money when nobody knows how to code or think anymore without the crutch.

I'll just put this here:

> And so it is that you by reason of your tender regard for the writing that is your offspring have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks.

> What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only the semblance of wisdom, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much while for the most part they know nothing. And as men filled not with wisdom but with the conceit of wisdom they will be a burden to their fellows.

- Plato quoting Socrates in "Phaedrus", circa 370 BCE

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by beatboxrevival »

Taniwha wrote: post #30

"Spend your time doing what you want to do!" - I enjoy coding cool new code ....

I think that's the point AI agents are trying to sell. Spend more time on the type of coding tasks you want to do, like coding cool new code, and not the tasks that you don't want to do.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by noduerme »

falcor84 wrote: post #32
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're going to make so much money when nobody knows how to code or think anymore without the crutch.

I'll just put this here: > And so it is that you by reason of your tender regard for the writing that is your offspring have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. > What y…

But did you memorize that quote, or was it sufficient to know its gist so you could google it?

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by bmgxyz »

ramesh31 wrote: post #22
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

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That's a nuance worth exploring. The world is being optimized for clockwatchers who want to do their work with the least amount of effort. Before long (if not already) people who enjoy their craft, and think of their work as a craft, will be ridiculed for wanting to do it themselves.

>The world is being optimized for clockwatchers who want to do their work with the least amount of effort. Before long (if not already) people who enjoy their craft, and think of their work as a craft, will be ridiculed for wanting to do it themselves. There is one clock you should be watching regardless, which is the clock of your life. Your code will not come see you in the hospital, or cheer you up when you're hav…

Writing code _has_ helped me feel better on some bad days. Even looking back at old projects brings me contentment and reassurance sometimes. On its own, it can't provide the happiness that a balanced life can, but craft and achievement are definitely pleasing. I would consider it an essential part of a good life, regardless of what the actual activity is.

This is different from meaningless work that brings you nothing except a paycheck, which I agree is important to minimize or eliminate. We should apply machines to this kind of work as much as we can, except in cases where the work itself doesn't need to exist.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by manmal »

85392_school wrote: post #28

> Also, you can get caught up fast. Jules creates an audio summary of the changes. This is an unusual angle. Of course Google can do this because they have the tech behind NotebookLM, but I'm not sure what the value of telling you how your prompt was implemented is.

I guess the idea is vibe coding while laying in bed or driving? If my kids are any indication of the generation to come, they sure love audio over reading.

Re: Jules: An asynchronous coding agent

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Post by threatofrain »

thorum wrote: post #4

Google’s ability to offer inference for free is a massive competitive advantage vs everyone else: > Is Jules free of charge? > Yes, for now, Jules is free of charge. Jules is in beta and available without payment while we learn from usage. In the future, we expect to introduce pricing, but our focus right now is improving the developer experience. https://jules-documentation.web.app/faq

This is standard startup play. Have a free beta stage and then transition into pricing.
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