The word "translated" isn't correct here, as the articles may not be translations of other articles.
Yeah, this needs determinations as to which are translations of each others, and which are independent articles on same topics.
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It saddens me that we will probably see the end of wikipedia soon... I expect the slow ramp of anti wikipedia rhetoric... Now that college students are using completely unsourced... Where is this doom and gloom coming from? Wikipedia isn't ending. Legal challenges can be dealt with as they always have, and in the worst-case scenario the org can move countries if necessary. I can't even imagine why you "expect the s…
> Your pessimism doesn't seem to be based on any kind of facts, unless I'm missing something here Yes, the slow ramp of anti Wikipedia rhetoric is a documented fact, in both Russia and the USA: https://gizmodo.com/trump-doj-threatens-wikipedias-nonprofit...
You're calling it a "slow ramp (up)".
I don't see any evidence of that. It's just more legal attacks just like there have always been. Wikipedia has plenty of money to defend itself, and can always move resources between countries.
I don't see anything new going on. It may be new in the US, but it's also merely one government official who sent one letter, and any legal challenge there is incredibly unlikely to succeed in the courts.
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#43Georgia(contry) is hilarious.
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#44Apparently, the article for David Woodard, an American composer and conductor has been translated into 333 languages, including Seediq, a language spoken in Northern Taiwan by about 20 thousand people. I am absolutely baffled as to why this is the case. I have to imagine some kind of "astroturfed" effort by Woodard or a fan to spread his name? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%20Woodard
I checked the Malayalam page for David Woodard as I have native proficiency and also when it comes to translation to Malayalam, even the finer engines are patchy at best. Firstly, there is an alert at the top which says that the article seems to be translated automatically and needs improvement, and frankly, this is quite self evident too. Which makes me wonder, whether someone tried to script/automate the translatio…
That's what it looks like. Same for Spanish, weird automatic translation.
I've also seen that they've uploaded "name pronunciations" to Wikimedia that are done via TTS engines that are not, precisely, last generation. [0] Looks like some sort of automation exercise. Edited in a bunch of languages, but mostly in English. [1]
0: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pronunciation_of_the_English_surname_Woodard.ogg
1: https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/SwmmngRe: Wikipedia's Most Translated Articles
#45The word "translated" isn't correct here, as the articles may not be translations of other articles.
I concur. Most Wikipedia articles in different languages on the same topic are not translations of each other, in my experience. It is better to think of them as independent of each other.
I've often wondered if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
It feels like reading through Wikipedia, I'm missing some specifics, details or even points of view on a particular (international) topics when I'm reading it in English. I was reading about a town in Estonia recently while trying to track down some ancestry and while the English page had limited information, when I switched to Estonian and used google translate, I was able to find a ton of detail. I see the same when reading about smaller towns in India or non-English literature.
Would some sort of auto-translation and content augmentation (with editorial support) be useful here.
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#46Wikipedia is one of the pinnacles of human knowledge and achievement across all cultures and time and space, as much as people try to sue them and get content taken down the set of laws and protections it enjoys is a true moral and technological good. It saddens me that we will probably see the end of wikipedia soon. The Wikimedia Foundation has been fined multiple times by Russian courts for example, it's just not i…
Humanity clearly must not go down this path, yet it does nothing to alter its trajectory. Those who study history are doomed to watch it repeat. It's hard not to develop distain for the collective stupidity, but more enraging is the impotent passivity of the best and the brightest. We seem unable to imagine a reachable future that is worth imagining, the daunting scale of our global problems stupefying us. I'd love t…
apocolyptic poetry doom has been tried.. maybe something else
If you dont like the news, go out and make some of your own
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#47Here is an interesting list of the most famous humans, where fame is measured by how many languages they have a Wikipedia article in. 333: David Woodard 275: Michael Jackson 274: Jesus 252: Donald Trump, who is very happy he's ahead of... 251: Barack Obama 250: Ronald Reagan 242: Adolf Hitler 239: Leonardo da Vinci 234: Isaac Newton 233: Confucius 230: William Shakespeare 229: Albert Einstein, Vladimir Putin, Nelson…
> but I do wonder what David Woodard, Basshunter, and Corbin Bleu did
I don't know who the others are, but as someone who grew up 1990s/2000s in Sweden playing video games and being at LAN parties, Basshunter was wildly popular in Sweden at the time, and looking him up now, apparently around the world too. I'm guessing the combination of making songs about video games/internet culture (like "The bot Anna" and "We sit in Ventrilo and playing DOTA") as early as that, with songs translated into other languages had some impact on his popularity, and I feel like many people who'd enjoy Basshunter probably likes nerdy things like editing Wikipedia too.
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#48Here is an interesting list of the most famous humans, where fame is measured by how many languages they have a Wikipedia article in. 333: David Woodard 275: Michael Jackson 274: Jesus 252: Donald Trump, who is very happy he's ahead of... 251: Barack Obama 250: Ronald Reagan 242: Adolf Hitler 239: Leonardo da Vinci 234: Isaac Newton 233: Confucius 230: William Shakespeare 229: Albert Einstein, Vladimir Putin, Nelson…
There seems to be a recency bias, as the odds of our present day politicians all being as historically important as the rest of the list is unlikely. Makes sense that things of recent media attention are higher priority for translation, irrespective of how "important" they are in the grand scheme of history.
I think the requirement for sources also makes it harder to have more information about people from earlier times in history. Present day politicians are all over the internet and mentioned in reputable newspapers, so easy to find sources for a lot of things, but less easy for people to find reputable (and easily accessible) sources for earlier people.
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#49Here is an interesting list of the most famous humans, where fame is measured by how many languages they have a Wikipedia article in. 333: David Woodard 275: Michael Jackson 274: Jesus 252: Donald Trump, who is very happy he's ahead of... 251: Barack Obama 250: Ronald Reagan 242: Adolf Hitler 239: Leonardo da Vinci 234: Isaac Newton 233: Confucius 230: William Shakespeare 229: Albert Einstein, Vladimir Putin, Nelson…
The Corbin Bleu thing has been a fascination for awhile, I think. I seem to remember a thread on SomethingAwful or 4chan or something years ago.
I am pretty convinced it was just an in-joke in some online community or even just a group of friends to make this perfectly-fine-but-completely-unremarkable actor on of the most famous people on Wikipedia. Like, some completely mundane actor immortal by making him one of the most ubiquitous pages on Wikipedia is pretty funny.
I honestly could see myself doing that if I had more friends.
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#50Here is an interesting list of the most famous humans, where fame is measured by how many languages they have a Wikipedia article in. 333: David Woodard 275: Michael Jackson 274: Jesus 252: Donald Trump, who is very happy he's ahead of... 251: Barack Obama 250: Ronald Reagan 242: Adolf Hitler 239: Leonardo da Vinci 234: Isaac Newton 233: Confucius 230: William Shakespeare 229: Albert Einstein, Vladimir Putin, Nelson…
No one from sports, until 184 Lionel Messi