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Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Technology cannot be wholly divorced from its ethical considerations. If a technology's founder has a multitude of ethical blindspots and has shown a willingness to modify such technology to suit his own desires, it is something which should be noted, discussed, and considered. As professionals, it is absolutely crucial that we discuss matters of ethics. One of which is the issue of an unethical founder.

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Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it: - Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks - ChatGPT has the best image generation - Claude is leading in coding solutions - Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source - Qwen has impressive lightweight models. But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has…

Before the release of Gemini 2.5 Grok 3 was the best coding AI IME, especially when you used reasoning. It also complained the least about things you asked it to do. Gemini for instance still won’t tell you how to use yt-dlp.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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>which is all of them Anyone who holds this belief can not answer this question without sounding like a massive hypocrite: "where do you get factual information about the world". Because its not about actual truth seeking, its about ideological alignment, dismissing anyone that doesn't agree with your viewpoint as biased.

LLMs can't truth seek. They simply do not have that capability as they have no ability to directly observe the real world. They must rely on what they are told, and to them the "truth" is the thing they are told most often. I think you would agree this is a very bad truth algorithm. This is much the same as I have no ability (without great inconvenience) to directly observe the situation in SA. This means I am stuck…

Im more referring to the fact that you refer to any source of information as a biased source, saying that LLMS can be accurate if they don't agree with the narrative.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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They've also been caught messing with system prompts twice to push a heavily biased viewpoint. Once to censor criticism of the current US administration and again to push the South Africa white genocide theory contrary to evidence. Not that other AI providers are necessary clean in putting their finger on the scale, but the blatant manner in which they're trying to bias Grok away from an evidence-based position erode…

I just want to point out that this (ridiculous) change did not impact Grok via the API.

So what? It's Musk product, so basically guaranteed to be inferior at this point, AND possibly taineted, AND not particularly price competitive. There's just no reason to touch it.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it: - Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks - ChatGPT has the best image generation - Claude is leading in coding solutions - Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source - Qwen has impressive lightweight models. But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has…

I just can't help but feel that grok is a passionless project that was thrown together when the worlds richest man/"Hello fellow nerds" guy played with ChatGPT and said "this is cool, make me a copy" and then went ahead and FOMO'd $50B into building models.

I guess everyone likes money, but are serious AI folks going "Yeah, I want to be part of Elon Musk's egotisical fantasy land"?

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it: - Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks - ChatGPT has the best image generation - Claude is leading in coding solutions - Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source - Qwen has impressive lightweight models. But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has…

Before the release of Gemini 2.5 Grok 3 was the best coding AI IME, especially when you used reasoning. It also complained the least about things you asked it to do. Gemini for instance still won’t tell you how to use yt-dlp.

Gemini gave me a yt-dlp command two weeks ago without complaining. Can you share your log to compare?

https://g.co/gemini/share/638562c1a8f4

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it: - Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks - ChatGPT has the best image generation - Claude is leading in coding solutions - Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source - Qwen has impressive lightweight models. But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has…

Llama is arguably the reason open weight LLM’s are a thing, with the leak of Llama 1 and subsequent release of Llama 2. Llama 3 was a huge push for quality, size, context length, and multi-modality. Llama 4 Maverick is clearly better than it looks if a fine tune can put it at the top of LMArena human preferences leaderboard.

Grok 3 mini is quite a decent agentic model and competitive with frontier models at a fraction of the cost; see livebench.ai.

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