I guess if you put tabula rasa AI in a world simulator, and you could simulate it as a whole biological organism and the environment of the earth and sexual reproduction and all that messy stuff it would evolve that way, but that's not how it evolved at all.
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#32AI does not have a reptilian and mammalian brain underneath it's AI brain as we have underneath our brains. All that wiring is an artifact of our evolution and primitive survival and not how pre-training works nor an essential characteristic of intelligence. This is the source of a lot of misconceptions about AI. I guess if you put tabula rasa AI in a world simulator, and you could simulate it as a whole biological o…
For me, AI in itself is not as worrying as the socioeconomic engines behind it. Left unchecked, those engines will create something far worse than the T-Rex.
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#33> Maybe a useful way to think about what it would be like to coexist in a world that includes intelligences that aren’t human is to consider the fact that we’ve been doing exactly that for long as we’ve existed, because we live among animals. Another analogy that I like is about large institutions / corporations. They are, right now, kind of like AIs. Like Harari says in one of his books, Peugeot co. is an entity tha…
Unless you have a truly bastardized definition of ASI then there is undoubtedly nothing close to it on earth. No corporation or military or government comes close to what ASI could be capable of. Any reasonably smart person can identify errors that Militaries, Governments and Corporations make ALL THE TIME. Do you really think a Chimp can identify the strategic errors Humans are making? Because that is where you woul…
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess the "trap" is just a lack of imagination? I'm in that school of, wtf are you trying to say, at least until we're in an "I robot" situation where autonomous androids are welcomed into our homes and workplaces and given guns, I'm simply not worried about it
That's just because of a failure of imagination. The real world is not like Hollywood, get Terminator out of your head. A real AI take over is likely something we probably can't imagine because otherwise we would be smart enough to thwart it. It's micro drones injecting everyone on earth with a potent neurotoxins or a mirror virus that is dispersed into the entire atmosphere and kills everyone. Or its industrial AIs…
In other words, the robot apocalypse will come in the form of self-driving cars, that are legally empowered to murder pedestrians, in the same way normal drivers are currently legally empowered to murder bicyclists. We will shrug our shoulders as humanity is caged behind fences that are pushed back further and further in the name of giving those cars more lanes to drive in, until we are totally dependent on the cars, which can then just refuse to drive us, or deliberately jelly their passengers with massive G forces, or whatever.
In other, other words, if you want a good idea of how humanity goes extinct, watch Pixar's Cars.
[0] I am not convinced that a mirror virus would actually be able to successfully infect and reproduce in non-mirror cells. The whole idea of mirror life is that the mirrored chemistry doesn't interact with ours.
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#35look, i'm sure there are very useful things you can use AI for as a designer to reduce some of the toil work (of which there's a LOT in photoshop et al).
but... i'm going to talk specifically about this example - whether you can extrapolate this to other fields is a broader conversation. this is such a bafflingly tonedeaf and poorly-thought-out line of thinking.
neal stephenson has been taking money from giant software corporations for so long that he's just parroting the marketing hype. there is no reason whatsoever to believe that designers will not be made redundant once the quality of "AI generated" design is good enough for the company's bottom line, regardless of how "beneficial" the tool might be to an individual designer. if they're out of a job, what need does a professional designer have of this tool?
i grew up loving some of Stephenson's books, but in his non-writing career he's disappointingly uncritical of the roles that giant corporations play in shepherding in the dystopian cyberpunk future he's written so much about. Meta money must be nice.
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#37AI does not have a reptilian and mammalian brain underneath it's AI brain as we have underneath our brains. All that wiring is an artifact of our evolution and primitive survival and not how pre-training works nor an essential characteristic of intelligence. This is the source of a lot of misconceptions about AI. I guess if you put tabula rasa AI in a world simulator, and you could simulate it as a whole biological o…
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/the-lizard-brain...
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#38Is this the sci-fi writer? if so, why is it important about AI?
Since he has already thought a lot about these topics before they became mainstream, his opinion might be interesting, if only for the head start he has.
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#39> Likewise today a graphic artist who is faced with the prospect of his or her career being obliterated under an AI mushroom cloud might take a dim view of such technologies, without perhaps being aware that AI can be used in less obvious but more beneficial ways. look, i'm sure there are very useful things you can use AI for as a designer to reduce some of the toil work (of which there's a LOT in photoshop et al). b…
Hey, has anyone done an "AI" tool that will take the graphics that I inexpertedly pasted together for printing on a tshirt and make the background transparent nicely?
Magic wands always leave something on that they shouldn't and I don't have the skill or patience to do it myself.
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#40> Speaking of the effects of technology on individuals and society as a whole, Marshall McLuhan wrote that every augmentation is also an amputation. Nice to see this because I drafted something about LLM and humans riffing on exactly the same McLuhan argument. Here it is: A large language model (LLM) is a new medium. Just like its predecessors—hypertext, television, film, radio, newspapers, books, speech—it is of obv…
To clarify, what's being referenced here is probably the fourth chapter of McLuhan's Understanding Media, in which the concept of "self-amputation" is introduced in relation to the Narcissus myth.
The advancement of technology, and media in particular, tends to unbalance man's phenomenological experience, prioritizing certain senses (visual, kinesthetic, etc.) over others (auditory, literary, or otherwise). In man's attempt to restore equilibrium to the senses, the over-stimulated sense is "self-amputated" or otherwise compensated for in order numb one's self to its irritations. The amputated sense or facility is then replaced with a technological prosthesis.
The wheel served as counter-irritant to the protestations of the foot on long journeys, but now itself causes other forms of irritation that themselves seek their own "self-amputations" through other means and ever more advanced technologies.
The myth of Narcissus, as framed by McLuhan, is also fundamentally one of irritation (this time, with one's image), that achieves sensory "closure" or equilibrium in its amputation of Narcissus' very own self-image from the body. The self-image, now externalized as technology or media, becomes a prosthetic that the body learns to adapt to and identify as an extension of the self.
An extension of the self, and not the self proper. McLuhan is quick to point out that Narcissus does not regard his image in the lake as his actual self; the point of the myth is not that humans fall in love with their "selves," but rather, simulacra of themselves, representations of themselves in media and technologies external to the body.
Photoshop and Instagram or Snapchat filters are continuations of humanity's quest for sensory "closure" or equilibrium and self-amputation from the irritating or undesirable parts of one's image. The increasing growth of knowledge work imposes new psychological pressures and irritants [0] that now seek their self-amputation in "AI", which will deliver us from our own cognitive inadequacies and restore mental well-being.
Gradually the self is stripped away as more and more of its constituents are amputated and replaced by technological prosthetics, until there is no self left; only artifice and facsimilie and representation. Increasingly, man becomes an automaton (McLuhan uses the word, "servomechanism,") or a servant of his technology and prosthetics:
That is why we must, to use them at all, serve these objects, these
extensions of ourselves, as gods or minor religions. An Indian is
the servo-mechanism of his canoe, as the cowboy of his horse
or the executive of his clock.
"You will soon have your god, and you will make it with your own hands." [1][0] It is worth noting that in Buddhist philosophy, there is a sixth sense of "mind" that accompanies the classical Western five senses: https://encyclopediaofbuddhism.org/wiki/Six_sense_bases