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Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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I think conflating what other companies have been doing with what Grok is doing is disingenuous personally. Most other AI stuff has had banal "brand safety" style guards baked in. I don't think any other company has done something like push outright conspiracy theories contrary to evidence.

"brand safety" is just a term for aligning with a particular bias

Everyone is biased. Pushing conspiracy theories is something else entirely.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think conflating what other companies have been doing with what Grok is doing is disingenuous personally. Most other AI stuff has had banal "brand safety" style guards baked in. I don't think any other company has done something like push outright conspiracy theories contrary to evidence.

"brand safety" is just a term for aligning with a particular bias

Not all biases are equivalent. "Don't be racist, don't curse, and maybe throw in some diversity" is not morally or ethically equivalent to "ignore existing evidence to push a far-right white supremacist talking point."

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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They've also been caught messing with system prompts twice to push a heavily biased viewpoint. Once to censor criticism of the current US administration and again to push the South Africa white genocide theory contrary to evidence. Not that other AI providers are necessary clean in putting their finger on the scale, but the blatant manner in which they're trying to bias Grok away from an evidence-based position erode…

Has any AI company not been caught doing this? Grok is just doing it in the opposite direction. I hate it too, but let's not pretend we don't know what's going on here.

Actually the first versions of Grok had the same "left leaning" bias as other models since it turns out that bias is in the data that everyone is using to train on), so if Grok is now more right leaning it is because they have deliberately manipulated it to be so.

This also begs the question, does it make sense to call something a "bias" when that is the majority view (i.e. reflected in bulk of training data) ?

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think conflating what other companies have been doing with what Grok is doing is disingenuous personally. Most other AI stuff has had banal "brand safety" style guards baked in. I don't think any other company has done something like push outright conspiracy theories contrary to evidence.

"brand safety" is just a term for aligning with a particular bias

Uh, guy, it's called a bias to make money as opposed to a bias towards not making money.

Being in favor of making money with the company you create is not a bad thing. It's a good thing. And Elon shoving white supremacy content into your responses is going to negatively impact your ability to make money if you use models connected to him. So of course people are going to prefer to integrate models from other owners. Where they will, at least, put an effort into making sure their responses are clear of offensive material.

It's business.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it: - Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks - ChatGPT has the best image generation - Claude is leading in coding solutions - Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source - Qwen has impressive lightweight models. But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has…

I like it! For me it has replaced Sonnet (3.5 at the time, but 3.7 doesn't seem better to me, from my brief tests) for general web usage -- fast, the ability to query x nee twitter is very nice, & I find the code it produces tends to be a bit better than Sonnet. (Though perhaps that depends a lot on the domain...I'm doing mostly C# in Unity.)

For tough queries o3 is unmatched in my experience.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think conflating what other companies have been doing with what Grok is doing is disingenuous personally. Most other AI stuff has had banal "brand safety" style guards baked in. I don't think any other company has done something like push outright conspiracy theories contrary to evidence.

"brand safety" is just a term for aligning with a particular bias

This comment without any context, explanation or proof is just lazy and shows a profound misunderstanding about what bias is.

Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure

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As someone developing agents using LLMs on various platform, im very reluctant to use anything associated with xAI. Grok's training data is increasingly pulled from an increasingly toxic source. Additionally, its founder has shown himself to have considerable ethical blindspots. Ive got enough second-order effects to be wary of. I cannot risk using technology with ethical concerns surrounding it as the foundation of…

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