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The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Given the layoffs round from last week, in a record earnings year, I wonder if this is a side effect of those layoffs.

How would a 3% layoff in a big company affect anything unless they want to specifically axe some project? It’s just lubrication for the machine. 3% is less than nothing compared to the bloat in any bigco and let me tell you Microsoft’s reputation is not the leanest of the bunch.

Didn’t Microsoft use to have annual 10% layoffs? Just culling the lowest performers every year.

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

#82
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Given the layoffs round from last week, in a record earnings year, I wonder if this is a side effect of those layoffs.

Unless they're just flat out lying, no: > This is the result of a multiyear effort to prepare for this

People lie in court under oath, so excuse my sceptism when key people across .NET, Typescript, Python and AI frameworks have been let go.

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

#83
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Every time I praise WSL on hn I pay the karma tax but I will die on this hill. WSL is more powerful than Linux because of how easy it is to run multiple OS on the same computer simultaneously. It's as powerful as Linux with some janky custom local docker wrappers for device support, local storage mapping, and network mapping. Except it's not janky at all. It's an absolute delight to use, out of the box, on a desktop…

I agree. Back in the day (10+ years ago), I used to argue with people about why I ran VMs instead of just partitioning the disk and booting up the OS I needed. XAMPP did not work out of the box with me on Windows (skill issue on my part, I know), so my preferred setup was to run a Ubuntu Server VM (LAMP stack) and then develop whatever I had on a Windows IDE. I could have done that under full Linux, I just did not wa…

> XAMPP did not work out of the box with me on Windows (skill issue on my part, I know), so my preferred setup was to run a Ubuntu Server VM (LAMP stack) and then develop whatever I had on a Windows IDE.

Why wouldn't you have just spent 5 minutes to get XAMPP working?

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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post #66
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Every time I praise WSL on hn I pay the karma tax but I will die on this hill. WSL is more powerful than Linux because of how easy it is to run multiple OS on the same computer simultaneously. It's as powerful as Linux with some janky custom local docker wrappers for device support, local storage mapping, and network mapping. Except it's not janky at all. It's an absolute delight to use, out of the box, on a desktop…

You don't stress about Windows updates? Hard to believe it.

Yeah exactly ... I want Windows running in Linux, not the other way around, so I actually control the software and the updates!

I actually just tried WINE for the FIRST time (surprisingly, I have been out of the Windows world for so long)

https://www.winehq.org/

And as long as I installed the binaries from their repo, not Debian 12, it worked very well

Wine is an impressive project too. It's not a VM, which has upsides and downsides, but I was able to run GCC-TDM, Python 3, and git bash in it!

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

#85
post #7

Every time I praise WSL on hn I pay the karma tax but I will die on this hill. WSL is more powerful than Linux because of how easy it is to run multiple OS on the same computer simultaneously. It's as powerful as Linux with some janky custom local docker wrappers for device support, local storage mapping, and network mapping. Except it's not janky at all. It's an absolute delight to use, out of the box, on a desktop…

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Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

#86
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Every time I praise WSL on hn I pay the karma tax but I will die on this hill. WSL is more powerful than Linux because of how easy it is to run multiple OS on the same computer simultaneously. It's as powerful as Linux with some janky custom local docker wrappers for device support, local storage mapping, and network mapping. Except it's not janky at all. It's an absolute delight to use, out of the box, on a desktop…

I agree. Back in the day (10+ years ago), I used to argue with people about why I ran VMs instead of just partitioning the disk and booting up the OS I needed. XAMPP did not work out of the box with me on Windows (skill issue on my part, I know), so my preferred setup was to run a Ubuntu Server VM (LAMP stack) and then develop whatever I had on a Windows IDE. I could have done that under full Linux, I just did not wa…

I stopped using VMware Workstation when WSL2 broke it

Is it still broken?

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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post #7

Every time I praise WSL on hn I pay the karma tax but I will die on this hill. WSL is more powerful than Linux because of how easy it is to run multiple OS on the same computer simultaneously. It's as powerful as Linux with some janky custom local docker wrappers for device support, local storage mapping, and network mapping. Except it's not janky at all. It's an absolute delight to use, out of the box, on a desktop…

I don't understand. Docker/podman/distrobox/lxc all allow you to do the exact same thing without the virtual machine overhead. I think the real win of WSL is that its a best of all worlds. You get to use Windows with access to every game ever made plus all of the proprietary apps everyone needs to use, with all of the upside of having a full and complete linux command line experience.

You get all of Windows telemetry, vulnerabilities and backdoors, the always fun game of spot the new Advertising opportunity, AI “copilot” spyware I mean feature, updates that reset your machine at will, a terrible UAC model that encourages “just click OK already!”, and dependence on a company that has gone out of their way to prove how much of an unstoppable behemoth they are; and best of all you get to pay for the privileges above.

I know… every year is the year of the Linux desktop… but seriously the AI spyware included was enough to get me gone for good.

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Check the license and its details. This might be great, or it might be MS looking to get free help. Especially with dev layoffs.

MIT: https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/blob/master/LICENSE

IANAL, but how is this license different from, say, the older BSD license - thought that was "have fun, do what you want, post a notice"? It doesn't say anything regarding ownership of changes, nor how to add copyright for such changes... Does this mean that MS is looking to own changes, or will there be a string of extra copyright notices for each (significant?) change?

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Maybe someone will finally build my dream: a WSL distro that I can also dual-boot natively. I'd love to switch between bare-metal Windows with WSL and bare-metal Linux with virtualized Windows at my leisure!

Parallels on Mac did this in reverse a decade ago. You could dual boot windows and MacOS, or you could boot into your windows OS while running MacOS and access both file systems properly.

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to cut actual bloat when running layoffs, because the more you work the less time you have to do politics and save your ass, so the less productive type of people tend to be pretty resilient to layoffs.

Have you worked at any of these large companies? It’s really easy actually (practically, not emotionally). It’s usually very obvious and there’s consensus who the bottom 10% are. Politics would affect promotions much more than layoff.

> It’s usually very obvious and there’s consensus who the bottom 10% are.

Sigh, and company keep them for sentimental reasons I guess…

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