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Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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I was wondering when the questionable corporate consolidation would start kicking off under the Trump administration. Have there been any other mergers in the past few months that slipped under the media radar? I honestly expected there would have been some deals waiting in the wings prior to the election just in case.

"Questionable corporate consolidation" has been happening for decades. I do agree it will accelerate under this current orange administration. Anti-trust laws have been watered down so much or not applied. This is all because of pseudoscience from neoclassical/neoliberal/reaganomics economic theory

>This is all because of pseudoscience from neoclassical/neoliberal/reaganomics economic theory

What's the Real Science™ then?

Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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I know nothing. But this is an interesting acquisition. Capital One strikes me as a pretty well run org. Why would they want Discover, who notoriously targets the low end of credit card custom? My guess is that this gives them the ability to increase margins by owning the entire payment layer all the way through distribution. If they slash the fees charged to merchants, this could make them quite a powerhouse.

Capital One’s personal lending is also notorious for targeting the mid-to-low end of credit card customers. They routinely deny people for credit cards if it looks like the applicant pays off their cards in full every month - they love a customer with a credit profile that has no negative marks but with a moderate debt-to-income ratio that means they’ll get those sweet interest payments.

That seems pretty far off from my experience. They offer auto pay, so I have paid the balance on my cc every month since I have had it without ever accruing interest. I haven't be denied other cards from them, balance increases, or anything like that.

Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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I know nothing. But this is an interesting acquisition. Capital One strikes me as a pretty well run org. Why would they want Discover, who notoriously targets the low end of credit card custom? My guess is that this gives them the ability to increase margins by owning the entire payment layer all the way through distribution. If they slash the fees charged to merchants, this could make them quite a powerhouse.

as I understand it, Discover gets to charge higher fees on debit cards (than eg visa and mc) due to some regulatory carve out, so capital one wants to take advantage of this and Discover’s payment network

Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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I know nothing. But this is an interesting acquisition. Capital One strikes me as a pretty well run org. Why would they want Discover, who notoriously targets the low end of credit card custom? My guess is that this gives them the ability to increase margins by owning the entire payment layer all the way through distribution. If they slash the fees charged to merchants, this could make them quite a powerhouse.

as I understand it, Discover gets to charge higher fees on debit cards (than eg visa and mc) due to some regulatory carve out, so capital one wants to take advantage of this and Discover’s payment network

Are you talking about the Durbin amendment? That's available to every bank with assets under $10B, not just Discover. If Capital One wanted higher swipe fees, there's hundreds of small banks that they can partner with to issue the cards. That's what many neobanks do.

Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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I know nothing. But this is an interesting acquisition. Capital One strikes me as a pretty well run org. Why would they want Discover, who notoriously targets the low end of credit card custom? My guess is that this gives them the ability to increase margins by owning the entire payment layer all the way through distribution. If they slash the fees charged to merchants, this could make them quite a powerhouse.

as I understand it, Discover gets to charge higher fees on debit cards (than eg visa and mc) due to some regulatory carve out, so capital one wants to take advantage of this and Discover’s payment network

Yes. This is exactly the same special advantage that American Express also has. However, Amex lacks enough know-how and presence in retail banking to really be able to issue enough debit cards to leverage this the way Capital One could.

The effect of this is that merchants end up hating taking Amex since it costs more, and I foresee Discover (which is even more niche) ending up the same way - there will simply be no reason to bother accepting Discover at all. How many people only have a Discover debit card in their wallet and no other?

Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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It’s Ticketmaster and LiveNation all over again. Business owners going to get gouged. Customers going to see price of items go up as business owners pass along increased transaction costs. Yes - this will also impact you even if you don’t have a discover/capital one card.

Soon you'll have to put up a "no Discover accepted" sign right next to the "Amex not accepted" sign.

Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“NOTICE: The FTC website is currently unavailable. Thank you for your patience while we work to restore service.” oops, even the government is susceptible to the hug of death

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This administration causes webservers to be over capacity?

Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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I know nothing. But this is an interesting acquisition. Capital One strikes me as a pretty well run org. Why would they want Discover, who notoriously targets the low end of credit card custom? My guess is that this gives them the ability to increase margins by owning the entire payment layer all the way through distribution. If they slash the fees charged to merchants, this could make them quite a powerhouse.

Capital One’s personal lending is also notorious for targeting the mid-to-low end of credit card customers. They routinely deny people for credit cards if it looks like the applicant pays off their cards in full every month - they love a customer with a credit profile that has no negative marks but with a moderate debt-to-income ratio that means they’ll get those sweet interest payments.

Here is some useful information about what percentage of credit card companies' issued cards are to subprime lendees. https://bpi.com/is-the-subprime-segment-of-the-credit-card-m...

It doesn't directly confirm or contradict your statement, but is relevant to the conversation.

I would also like to remind everyone to pay your credit card balance in full every month without fail, or you are giving your credit card issuer boatloads of money just for fun.

Re: Discover is now part of Capital One

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Questionable corporate consolidation" has been happening for decades. I do agree it will accelerate under this current orange administration. Anti-trust laws have been watered down so much or not applied. This is all because of pseudoscience from neoclassical/neoliberal/reaganomics economic theory

>This is all because of pseudoscience from neoclassical/neoliberal/reaganomics economic theory What's the Real Science™ then?

> What's the Real Science™ then?

Monopolies and intense corporate consolidation are bad for everyone except shareholders and CEOs?

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