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Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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the tl;dr: > The NSF’s investments have shaped some of the most transformative technologies of our time—from GPS to the internet—and supported vital research in the social and behavioral sciences that helps the nation understand itself and evaluate its progress toward its democratic ideals. So in 2024, I was honored to be appointed to the National Science Board, which is charged under 42 U.S. Code § 1863 with establi…

that semaphore article is pretty interesting, there is a whole body of work being developed by folks like Gil Duran, Naomi Klein, Emil Torres, etc. right now diving into the Tech Right and characters like Andreessen one thing I'm struck by is the willingness of people who greatly benefitted from the downstream effects of basic research (ex: the entire internet economy being downstream of DARPA, CERN, etc.) to tear do…

:100: the fact that these technofascists are willing to amputate the hand that feeds them (NSF, DARPA, NIH) tells you everything you need to know about how deluded they are. It's literally Terminal Engineer Brain.

Very much agree we need to make and shame these dufuses who think they'll be the God kings of federated techno states, like Thiel and his ersatz court philosopher Moldbug.

To your list of names I would also add Paris Marx

https://techwontsave.us/

and Robert Evans has done a lot of great series on Elon et al as well

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MLizYdfQT-Y

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mYrPNvVhKLU

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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wild to come across people on HN who are skeptical about the value of knowing things "holding my head in my hands" to quote an earlier poster

Wild to come across people on HN who don't seem to understand that "knowing things" has a price tag, that there is no such thing as "no price is too high", that science that can economically justify itself shouldn't be publicly funded and that science that must be publicly funded should have to justify itself to tax payers.

wild to come across people on HN who don't understand that putting economic scrutiny on scientific studies and questioning the public funding of science will both slow the development of yet unknown useful knowledge, as well as slow down economic growth

the perniciousness of the "we need to economically justify the kind of scientific research we are doing" is that plenty of the research we've had that has been economically beneficial was NOT obvious when it was being conducted

by restricting research to programs that may have economic benefit, you restrict yourself to funding things that we pretty much already know, which is a bit more like R&D and less research

to give two examples

1) Gila monster venom - research in the 1990s on Gila Monster Venom formed the building blocks that would become GLP1 medications, which are likely to be some of the best performing medications of all time, as well as have the huge societal benefit of reducing the obesity load on the health system, when this research was being conducted its implications were not known and could have very well been on the chopping block if we were trying to "justify it to taxpayers"

2) CERN - the study of high energy particle physics at CERN is a classic case of "how useful is this knowledge?" It's pretty easy to look at this and wonder how it economically justifies itself. What difference does it make to the tax payer if we discover the Higgs Boson or not? Well, the entire digital economy is down stream of CERN. The internet was partially developed to facilitate the transfer of large quantities of data from colliders like CERN to be analyzed elsewhere in the world. For fuck suck, the world wide web was invented at CERN by Tim Berners Lee. If we didn't invest that money into CERN, or other research institutions, who knows what the web would look like today, and how large the digital economy would be.

Yes, these are just two examples of how research without clear ROI has had economic benefit and justified itself to tax payers. The crux of the issue is we don't know how valuable what we don't know is, and we don't know what branch of science will have the next society altering discovery, so a random walk through scientific research for the sake of knowing things is valuable, because there are undoubtedly things we don't know that will benefit us greatly.

So my argument is in a way like yours, the science does have to justify itself to taxpayers. But the evidence is that the process of science, and knowledge seeking at a high level have justified the funding of science, going study by study to figure out what will have ROI and what won't is a great way to ensure that we discover less and less, leaving more and more stones unturned.

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that semaphore article is pretty interesting, there is a whole body of work being developed by folks like Gil Duran, Naomi Klein, Emil Torres, etc. right now diving into the Tech Right and characters like Andreessen one thing I'm struck by is the willingness of people who greatly benefitted from the downstream effects of basic research (ex: the entire internet economy being downstream of DARPA, CERN, etc.) to tear do…

:100: the fact that these technofascists are willing to amputate the hand that feeds them (NSF, DARPA, NIH) tells you everything you need to know about how deluded they are. It's literally Terminal Engineer Brain. Very much agree we need to make and shame these dufuses who think they'll be the God kings of federated techno states, like Thiel and his ersatz court philosopher Moldbug. To your list of names I would also…

will check out thanks for the links

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Another way to look at this is that a country that only spends research money on profitable ventures is going to lose to a country that spends exploratory research money. I, for one, willingly give my cash. You don't get breakthroughs by being timid with this.

assuming the government is already maximizing tax revenue on the laffer curve, what would you be willing to give up so that it could spend more on theoretical science research?

It's almost certainly not maximizing tax revenue, but I'd trade some defense for research.

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Yikes, we ban accounts that post like this for what ought to be obvious reasons. Please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've unfortunately been doing this repeatedly (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43974234 ), and the problem goes back quite a while: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39122658 . Moreover, we've warned you several times before: https://news.ycom…

Thanks for not banning me - I know it's wrong but shits dark right now and people are getting hurt and sometimes when it feels like people are looking past that deliberately I get lost. You may have noted some gaps in posting, usually me stepping away when I feel like I'm too far gone down the internet ego machine.

I'll do better, and if I don't - I know I'm wrong and deserve what I get. You're an great mod, appreciate you.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) would not have been possible without a completely unrelated discovery of a heat-resistant bacteria by a federally funded scientist years earlier. Is it possible that eventually a privately funded effort may have figured out that some bacteria can survive in temperatures beyond what was generally considered possible and connected that to replicating DNA? Yeah maybe, but it seems extreme…

> Is there fraud in science? Yes. So your answer is throw it all out instead of rooting out the fraud?

I didn't suggest any such thing. Deconstructing fallacious arguments around publicly funded science was the only objective here. At no point did I stake a position on whether science should or should not be publicly funded as a whole, or what mix of public or private funding would be optimal. I would love to live in a Roddenberry utopia with no resource scarcity so we can all research to our heart's content, but we don't live in that world, and the evidence is mounting that we're not in a good place or on a good trajectory.

In a very real sense we are stuck in a local minima: innovation as measured by patents have been decreasing every year for decades, researchers spend more time writing grants than doing research, they are heavily influenced by publication bias and celebrity status, the replication crisis has rightly undermined trust in a lot of scientific disciplines, and cases of decades old fraud indicates that academia is not as self-regulating/self-correcting as we might have hoped, and the skewed incentives in academia are largely to blame. You can take these changes coming as some kind of authoritarian oppression, or you can take them as an opportunity to remake research and academia into something better. As Wheeler said, "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity."

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