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Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by firesteelrain »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #86
firesteelrain wrote: post #80

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The computer science professor isn’t some nobody either - long time faculty, graduated in 1968, former Dean. In the case of the curriculum, it suggests an institutional preference for particular ideological narratives Harvard selectively aligned with or tolerated specific activist ideologies while suppressing or distancing themselves from others For DEI (which is just rebranded now honestly), it suggests that Harvard…

>They shouldn’t indoctrinate any students whatsoever Are there? >suggests that Harvard pushes only progressive policies How does Harvard's DEI program suggest they ONLY push progressive policies?

See this. I was going to copy/paste

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/ip031k/commen...

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by Maxatar »

justanotheratom wrote: post #69
Maxatar wrote: post #47

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Israel, as per the declaration: https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/anti-semitism-task-force-stat...

I’m confused. the declaration does not say anything about swearing fealty to a genocidal foreign government.

I'm sorry that you're confused about this subject.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by Braxton1980 »

firesteelrain wrote: post #91
Braxton1980 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They shouldn’t indoctrinate any students whatsoever Are there? >suggests that Harvard pushes only progressive policies How does Harvard's DEI program suggest they ONLY push progressive policies?

See this. I was going to copy/paste https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/ip031k/commen...

Can you because it just opens to the post on my phone.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by landl0rd »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #83
landl0rd wrote: post #73

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Defense is existential and welfare is not. Defense is also an enumerated power of the feds and welfare is not. Defense must be handled at the national welfare and welfare need not be. My "general rule" is there is a pretty small list of things the feds should do. It is also a "general rule" that when you are worried about overspending you look at the bigger line items first. Primes are the prime contractors: boeing,…

>Defense is also an enumerated power of the feds and welfare is not. Every federal social program is backed by a law giving the federal government that power. The Stafford act and social security act for example. >Defense must be handled at the national welfare Why can't defense be per state? If the answer is it's not efficient or coordination then the same could be said for any social program >My "general rule" is t…

The law purports to give the feds that power. I believe the Constitution has been grossly twisted to federalize that which the feds have no authority to do. Social welfare is one of those things.

Defense per-state would disrupt the concept of a nation and the feds' ability to operate internationally. This is the same as borders and foreign policy. If anything localities are better able to understand the needs of their neighbor than the feds.

I have this view about small fed because I do not trust government. Any government. The damage a local government can do is necessarily less and the layers of government above it that can check that damage are more.

Redistribution is not the basic purpose of a state. It was not a founding principle of our state. It is discretionary spending in the literal use of the word if not in that of the budget committee. In this case the feds are spending $500 on housing and $4,000 on pokemon toys.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by landl0rd »

1659447091 wrote: post #76
landl0rd wrote: post #62

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I voted mostly against harris. I don't really like trump. I've voted against him in every primary I could. I voted libertarian in 2020 because I figured biden would lose. I do not believe harris will be any better at containing china. probably worse. Trump is not particularly effective but he at least pretends to care.

> I do not believe harris will be any better at containing china. But she would probably be better at keeping the US position in the world and with our allies in good standing; instead of selling it off for personal gain. > Trump is not particularly effective but he at least pretends to care. Good point, at least he pretends to care. I mean he is getting the US a "free" jet that will cost the american tax payer almos…

We tried the "nice" approach with the EU of polite patron-to-client instruction. The EU failed to play ball. We tried this with many countries. They failed to play ball. So there is no reason to continue costing the American citizen money for their benefit. An "alliance" where you mostly just help the other person is closer to parasitism.

I do not believe any politician cares about America or her citizens. I do not believe harris cares about America or her citizens. Politicians seek power.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by yieldcrv »

aaomidi wrote: post #66
yieldcrv wrote: post #38

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> If the usefulness of the work has proven itself now, then other sources can fund it.

There’s a lot of work that is “useful” but the return on investment is not direct, but rather indirect. For example I don’t remember the detail exactly but this professors insistence to study extremophiles has directly translated to many improvements in medicine.

there are many sources that don't look for profits, its illuminating that both respondents so far assumed that

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by tmpz22 »

landl0rd wrote: post #95
1659447091 wrote: post #76

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> I do not believe harris will be any better at containing china. But she would probably be better at keeping the US position in the world and with our allies in good standing; instead of selling it off for personal gain. > Trump is not particularly effective but he at least pretends to care. Good point, at least he pretends to care. I mean he is getting the US a "free" jet that will cost the american tax payer almos…

We tried the "nice" approach with the EU of polite patron-to-client instruction. The EU failed to play ball. We tried this with many countries. They failed to play ball. So there is no reason to continue costing the American citizen money for their benefit. An "alliance" where you mostly just help the other person is closer to parasitism. I do not believe any politician cares about America or her citizens. I do not b…

Canada failed to play ball when they joined us in Afghanistan and died alongside us? When they took in our jets on 9/11?

How deep do you think I have to look to find dozens (or hundreds) of strong examples of the EU and other western allies "playing ball"?

We seem to be focused a lot on Qatar and Saudi Arabia as our "good" allies.

I don't blame you for falling for the rhetoric of a populist candidate willing to say and do anything, claim victory if it works, and ignore and bury it when it doesn't. It's easy. You're not the first in history to do it, and you won't be the last.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by landl0rd »

tmpz22 wrote: post #97
landl0rd wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We tried the "nice" approach with the EU of polite patron-to-client instruction. The EU failed to play ball. We tried this with many countries. They failed to play ball. So there is no reason to continue costing the American citizen money for their benefit. An "alliance" where you mostly just help the other person is closer to parasitism. I do not believe any politician cares about America or her citizens. I do not b…

Canada failed to play ball when they joined us in Afghanistan and died alongside us? When they took in our jets on 9/11? How deep do you think I have to look to find dozens (or hundreds) of strong examples of the EU and other western allies "playing ball"? We seem to be focused a lot on Qatar and Saudi Arabia as our "good" allies. I don't blame you for falling for the rhetoric of a populist candidate willing to say a…

I don't think Qatar and Saudi are "good" allies.

I don't think Canada and the EU were "bad" allies. Canada partially still is not.

The EU is now regarding China.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by landl0rd »

tmpz22 wrote: post #67
landl0rd wrote: post #15

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I voted for Trump. I think the Harvard funding thing is stupid. I don't really want money going to Israel. However, I don't think this is chilling. I would prefer more defense spending to ensure the military inferiority of China. And I would prefer to cut most social spending from the federal level and relegate it to the local level. This is pretty consistent with most people on the right. This is not a feature of th…

Right, if you assume competency and hard work from the administration involved. Seriously, many of the cuts reference returning power to the states, does that mean it will be returned in its entirety as block grants, or as non-corporate tax cuts? Based on past performance I doubt they'll accomplish either yet the money and programs and federal jobs will still be gone. Federal jobs many considered to be good jobs and…

Block grants are bad.

I would prefer non-corporate tax cuts focusing on the middle class. This would also help us balance the federal budget.

I like national parks. They are one of the few things I don't mind paying taxes for. Most of the federal budget does not go to national parks.

I also live in a state that has really good state parks. Well-run, widely available, well-maintained. Hopefully we can have states help pick up the slack if there are challenges with the NPS.

You can't lump NHS in with those. I do not like public health care.

I did not put "woke" in there. I don't like the "wrapper" language. I do like some of the content.

I do not think trump in office is a good thing. I just think harris is a bad thing. Since roosevelt we have been stuck on a leftward ratchet. Liberals take office and change things. Conservatives take power and fail to reverse them.

Trump is not much of a conservative. I do think he can at least promote some reversal of the social parts. I don't care much about the social parts. But I do hope that sets a precedent for someone to reverse the practical economic parts.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by firesteelrain »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #93
firesteelrain wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this. I was going to copy/paste https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/ip031k/commen...

Can you because it just opens to the post on my phone.

“ Just because they are not intentionally indoctrinating does not mean the overwhelming majority of voices being liberal does not create a force to push people in that direction more than they would be otherwise.

It can also create a circle where people who are more conservative are less likely to view universites favorably, and therefore attend less and in different departments, thus creating an even more overwhelming majority.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/07/10/sharp-partis...

This shows the difference in thinking between left and right on higher education. In general the longer you are at college, the more likely you are to be liberal. Is that 'indoctrination'? No, but I think it's a bit silly to not see a stray thumb on the scale”

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