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Re: A Research Preview of Codex

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Post by kridsdale3 »

skovati wrote: post #40

I'm curious how many ICs are truly excited about these advancements in coding agents. It seems to me the general trend is we become more like PMs managing agents and reviewing PRs, all for the sake of productivity gains. I imagine many engineers are like myself in that they got into programming because they liked tinkering and hacking and implementation details, all of which are likely to be abstracted over in this n…

I do feel that way, so I'll still do bespoke creation when I want to. But this is like a sewing machine. My job is to design fashion, and a whole line of it. I can do that when a machine is making the stitches instead of my using a needle in hand.

Re: A Research Preview of Codex

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Post by manojlds »

skovati wrote: post #40

I'm curious how many ICs are truly excited about these advancements in coding agents. It seems to me the general trend is we become more like PMs managing agents and reviewing PRs, all for the sake of productivity gains. I imagine many engineers are like myself in that they got into programming because they liked tinkering and hacking and implementation details, all of which are likely to be abstracted over in this n…

We (dare I say we instead of I) like talking to computers and AI is another computer you talk with. So I am still all excited. It's people that I want to avoid :)

Re: A Research Preview of Codex

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Post by yanis_t »

So it's looking like it's only running in the cloud, that is it will push commits to my remote repo before I have a chance to see if it works?

When I'm using aider, after it make a commit what I do, I then immediately run git reset HEAD^ and then git diff (actually I use github desktop client to see the diff) to evaluate what exactly it did, and if I like it or not. Then I usually make some adjustments and only after that commit and push.

Re: A Research Preview of Codex

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Post by browningstreet »

prhn wrote: post #12

Is anyone using any of these tools to write non boilerplate code? I'm very interested. In my experience ChatGPT and Gemini are absolutely terrible at these types of things. They are constantly wrong. I know I'm not saying anything new, but I'm waiting to personally experience an LLM that does something useful with any of the code I give it. These tools aren't useless. They're great as search engines and pointing me i…

I've built a number of personal data-oriented and single purpose tools in Replit. I've constrained my ambitions to what I think it can do but I've added use cases beyond my initial concept.

In short, the tools work. I've built things 10x faster than doing it from scratch. I also have a sense of what else I'll be able to build in a year. I also enjoy not having to add cycles to communicate with external contributors -- I think, then I do, even if there's a bit of wrestling. Wrangling with a coding agent feels a bit like "compile, test, fix, re-compile". Re-compiling generally got faster in subsequent generations of compiler releases.

My company is building internal business functions using AI right now. It works too. We're not putting that stuff in front of our customers yet, but I can see that it'll come. We may put agents into the product that let them build things for themselves.

I get the grumpiness & resistance, but I don't see how it's buying you anything. The puck isn't underfoot.

Re: A Research Preview of Codex

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Post by ianbutler »

Im super curious to see how this actually does at finding significant bugs, we've been working in the space on https://www.bismuth.sh for a while and one of the things we're focused on is deep validation of the code being outputted.

There's so many of these "vibe coding" tools and there has to be real engineering rigor at some point. I saw them demo "find the bug" but the bugs they found were pretty superficial and thats something we've seen in our internal benchmark from both Devin and Cursor. A lot of noise and false positives or superficial fixes.

Re: A Research Preview of Codex

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Post by qntmfred »

skovati wrote: post #40

I'm curious how many ICs are truly excited about these advancements in coding agents. It seems to me the general trend is we become more like PMs managing agents and reviewing PRs, all for the sake of productivity gains. I imagine many engineers are like myself in that they got into programming because they liked tinkering and hacking and implementation details, all of which are likely to be abstracted over in this n…

people can still write code by hand for fun

people who want to make software that enables people to accomplish [task] will get the software they need quicker.

Re: A Research Preview of Codex

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Post by asadm »

illnewsthat wrote: post #45
asadm wrote: post #28

Is there an open source version of this? that essentially uses microvms to git clone my repo and essentially run codex-cli or equivalent and sends me a PR. I made one for github action but it's not as realtime and is 2 years old now: https://github.com/asadm/chota

I haven't checked in on it recently, but maybe a similar open-source option would be https://github.com/All-Hands-AI/OpenHands A not open-source option this looks close to is also https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-workspace (released April 2024, but I'm not sure it's gotten any significant updates since)

oh openDevin became openHANDS. Interestingly, I committed the LICENSE file to that repo haha

Re: A Research Preview of Codex

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Post by lumenwrites »

btbuildem wrote: post #31

> To balance safety and utility, Codex was trained to identify and precisely refuse requests aimed at development of malicious software, while clearly distinguishing and supporting legitimate tasks. I can't say I am a big fan of neutering these paradigm-shifting tools according to one culture's code of ethics / way of doing business / etc. One man's revolutionary is another's enemy combatant and all that. What if we…

You gotta think about it in terms of cost vs benefit. How much damage will a malicious AI do, vs how much value will you get out of non-neutered model?
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