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Re: Material 3 Expressive

#102
I'm glad Flutter is not changing design to support this M3Expressive [1] right off the bat. One of the biggest problems with Flutter for me is just a lack of alternative design systems (compared with web frameworks) or the ability to easily spin off your own design system. And it's ok to use default Flutter's design system (which is Material Design), but the need to conform to whatever the Google design team comes up with in the next update wasn't great.

Components' renaming (RaisedButton -> ElevatedButton, wtf - was it really worth millions of person-hours of renaming in hundreds of thousands of Flutter codebases?), apps suddenly becoming pinkish, until developers frantically updated code setting `useMaterial3: false` just to stop apps being suddenly ugly, etc. I.e., it's fine for the design system to change and evolve, but with Flutter, all control over the app's look is virtually taken away from developers who use default material widgets. You just update the Flutter version and pray that your app didn't change in a way that was never expected.

It would be good to have Material 3 Expressive as a separate design system, for sure.

[1] https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/168813

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#103
I would have liked a short explanation on what makes the new M3 Expressive really different from Material You?!

They are re-using the exact same words [1] ("expressiveness", "personal style") from You. Did they just add more spacing and change the default-color?

[1]: https://m3.material.io/blog/announcing-material-you

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#106
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my view, peak design is the "density" setting in Gmail where you could select between 3 degrees of density and wasted space in the UI. Even though I like somewhat denser interfaces, I know that lots of whitespace is GREAT for new users. Just like I know everything needs to be in the UI (~80-90% of users click the undo button instead of typing Ctrl+Z in many apps). There has to be space for a learning curve for any…

Wow, I understand using the button on a phone app, because where would you even find the "Ctrl" button, but if it's true that even digital natives are still using the button instead of a keyboard shortcuts when sitting at a keyboard, that boggles my mind.

The statistic is actually wrong, I misremembered. It is from Tantacrul, a designer overseeing the current design of MuseScore and the redesign of Audacity. It's a finding he had while working at microsoft on a revamped version of MS Paint (the man has since moved to greener pastures).

The actual moment is a few minutes into the section about shortcuts (of a long video trashing a piece of discontinued music software). The actual bit was that undo/redo was the most clicked button in the MS Paint interface, and that people overwhelmingly prefer the button over the shortcut. No actual number is specified.

https://youtu.be/Yqaon6YHzaU?si=uDFFQgrbZuYFifhS&t=1580

The correct statistic (which I associated with the other example in my mind) was that only 17% of users use more than 20 shortcuts.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cursor being captured when hovering buttons is the worst UI I've seen in a very long time

It's what iPad does when you use a mouse. https://web.archive.org/web/20200602200001/https://www.apple...

Is that meant to be an argument in favor of it? That it's what the iPad does for the extremely rare case of a user using a mouse with it?

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#109
post #8

I have an idea: just write ,,Send'' on the send button and people will find it even faster and easier... also make the button rectangular and add a drop shadow. Welcome to 1995. Also, 70+ year old people who have the hardest time using a mobile phone even if they need to, like my mom are just not even included in the test. She just can't find buttons done with material design. For a company that was talking about inc…

70+ is not a marketable demographic.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#110
Really, truly, hate that purple. Some of the guidelines look great. But I send sincere condolences to android users over the next few years. We will call them the blackberry yoghurt years someday.
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