It's the articles like these and the discussion thereof that has dragged down the quality of HN these days.. sad.
Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.
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#62Does anybody else feel all the tech giants standing around with their patents in hand is like all the characters standing around with guns like at the end of Reservoir Dogs? "Nobody innovate or we'll shoot!" It's intriguing at first, but you can only keep it up so long before the plot line gets annoying because no one is doing anything (or innovating), or someone gets shot.
There is a phrase common in patent law called "dancing with the gorilla." This is what we are seeing. It is not limited to just software tech patents, this occurs in other areas as well.
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#63I stopped buying Apple products because of this patent nonsense, so I guess that means I can't buy that Nexus 7 I was eyeing either. Why is it that giant companies consistently act so evil?
That's the wrong way to think about it. Now that they're equally evil, you can buy whichever one you want. Or else you can't buy any and you might as well go out and play in the sun. Either way, you win. But if you are planning on buying something, do it now. Soon you might not be able to buy anything.
Yep, if anyone is using legal battles to determine what they should/shouldn't buy, you're going to be drastically disappointed.
As an Apple fan, I hope Google gets their way in the courts if not for a while. Why? Well if not only to get the Android people off their high horses in regards to legal issues and the companies behind them, but it would be the perfect way for an actual debate over software patents to be brought the forefront of public debate.
Reform on patents will only ever happen if people here feel the pain of the process. As it is we're too far removed still.
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#64Seriously, I hope everyone manages to block everybody's imports. Then lawmakers will be forced to actually overhaul the patent system. Because judging from progress so far, it seems like only a meltdown would do it.
Some of the lawmakers wouldn't overhaul patent law even if you had a global supply of universal replicators that were powered only by the sound of happy laughter.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, Google cannot stop this. The only thing that can stop this is if Google, Apple, and Samsung all agree to stop doing it at the same time. Even then, the trolls will continue to decimate independent developers and occasionally catch a big fish for hundreds of millions of dollars until the patent system is reformed to exclude obvious and previously invented items. So far, Google and Samsung seem to be willing to tal…
> Google and Samsung seem to be willing to talk about ending the mutual destruction In the past they seemed eager to talk rather than dispute because they had no weapons to defend themselves. Now that Google has acquired Motorola, they have the patents to go after anybody they want and that's exactly what they are doing.
> Now that Google has acquired Motorola, they have the patents to go after anybody they want and that's exactly what they are doing.
Let's be clear: They've sued Apple, the one person who's been unwilling to cross-license their patents. They aren't suing Microsoft. They aren't suing Oracle. They aren't suing anyone else at this point.
Apple, on the other hand, has been suing every Android manufacturer under the sun with the full intention of destroying Android.
Is there any evidence to suggest that Google is unwilling to end this silliness, or are you just conjecturing based on their willingness to strike back while Apple remains unwilling?
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#66I think it is part of a plan to destroy western society by locking up all the courts and government with unanswerable questions such as "Who first thought of the rectangle?". Soon, there will be nothing left but a wasteland and some lawyers arguing over who gets to own half a dead cat while they warm their hands on oil drums full of burning currency.
More likely, this is a cunning plan by tech giants who are tired of wasting money on patent nonsense to get everyone to realize how messed up it is!
*I can dream, can't I?
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Don't be evil" doesn't mean sit back and get sued to oblivion by your competitors like a selfless martyr.
"Don't be evil" does mean that you should't abuse FRAND obligations. Hence why Google is being investigated for anti-competitive behaviour by ITC/EU. Given the important of FRAND in the standards process this is very much being evil.
Note that none of the patents they are suing over this time are FRAND patents.
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#68I stopped buying Apple products because of this patent nonsense, so I guess that means I can't buy that Nexus 7 I was eyeing either. Why is it that giant companies consistently act so evil?
While I would obviously prefer to see no patent lawsuits, Motorola's lawsuit here is very different from Apple's against Samsung.
Apple refuses to license their patents - Samsung et. al. went to Apple and said "won't you please allow us to pay you to use your technology?" to which Apple emphatically answered "NO!". Here, Apple is using Motorola's technology and Motorola said "Apple, will you please pay us if you're going to use our technology?" and Apple's reply was the same: "NO!"
Apple is essentially doing the same thing that they're accusing Samsung of, except that Samsung really wanted to pay Apple, whereas Apple emphatically does not want to pay Motorola.
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#69Seriously, I hope everyone manages to block everybody's imports. Then lawmakers will be forced to actually overhaul the patent system. Because judging from progress so far, it seems like only a meltdown would do it.
This would force a settlement. Which would be bad because no actual patent reform would actually be achieved and a few large tech companies would be able to lock-out new entrants into the field.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Don't be evil" doesn't mean sit back and get sued to oblivion by your competitors like a selfless martyr.
Don't be evil means use your patents as a defense not to sue others. It means amass a big enough trove that others feel that suing you is going to be futile. Evil is attacking the opponent with the new patents you just "bought" not even developed in-house
> Don't be evil means use your patents as a defense not to sue others. It means amass a big enough trove that others feel that suing you is going to be futile.
Well, when a company is suing all of the companies that use your software over your software, but don't come after you, what are you supposed to do to protect them? Because obviously the "trove" wasn't "big enough".
> Evil is attacking the opponent with the new patents you just "bought" not even developed in-house
So now companies aren't allowed to use the patents of the companies they've purchased? Should patents be invalidated once the original company is acquired? I'm against software patents in general, but to argue, under the existing system, that one of your subsidiary's shouldn't be allowed to use the patents they developed because you acquired them seems absurd.