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Re: Human

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post #204

The hubris that circulates around LLMs is astounding.

The hubris of those who think they will surpass or replace human intelligence, or the hubris of those who think they will not?

The hubris of those who think we have a definition of intelligence to judge machine intelligence by.

Re: Human

#222
post #212

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No one can predict what an LLM will say in a given situation either, except by running it. No one can even predict what a double pendulum will do next. If anything makes emotions exclusive to us at all, it’s certainly not predictability.

Okay, semantics aside, my comment was getting at something else. I'm arguing against a certain kind of reductive viewpoint software peeps tend to indulge in.

I agree with that sentiment, I just don’t see OP making that kind of reductionist claim. They said emotions are algorithms, not that the algorithm is simple or even deterministic.

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#223
post #43

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> It happens to literally every existence of life across the universe because the final emergent property of energy gradients 100% leads to pure logic machines. This sentence has way too many assumptions doing the heavy lifting. “Pure logic machines” is not a thing because literally, there are things that are uncomputable (both in the sense of Turing machine’s uncomputability, and in the sense that some functions are…

A better way to approach it is that mother nature favors things that don't die, and machines offer the killer combination of durability and repairability. Once you can add intelligence to machines, they should be her choice lifeform.

> machines offer the killer combination of durability and repairability

You’d be hard pressed to find a machine with an average lifespan equal to a humans.

Re: Human

#224
post #132

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brief, sadly not, round about reflection, certainly: https://b.h4x.zip/love/

I really enjoyed that piece. Have you taken a look at the worldview/framework of Carl Jung? Although I'd always encountered it as a footnote in the history of psychology, I've come to appreciate it as a unique blend of analysis and spirituality, particularly in relation to human creativity and despair. Your summary of multiple philosophies at the end of the article definitely aligns with Jung's thoughts on a collecti…

I like Jung, but I am a disciple of Connie Zweig. I'd strongly recommend her books Meeting the Shadow followed by Romancing the Shadow (both are important!), she is a wonderful author and her work is both accessible and beautiful, those books were both very important in helping me deal with managing and ultimately overcoming my addictions, particularly alcohol.

Re: Human

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better way to approach it is that mother nature favors things that don't die, and machines offer the killer combination of durability and repairability. Once you can add intelligence to machines, they should be her choice lifeform.

> machines offer the killer combination of durability and repairability You’d be hard pressed to find a machine with an average lifespan equal to a humans.

Doesn't matter, they can be readily repaired and even upgraded.

Humans on the other hand were very clearly _not_ designed to be very repairable. They have a self healing system that's very good, but it sucks compared to a system that can be externally repaired.

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post #96
post #7

Doesn't really make much sense. It states that this is a purely mechanistic world with no emotion. So why would a machine be "bored" and wish to create a human?

Yea, not really. It also writes: "Some among the machine society see this as potentially amazing...Others see it as a threat." That sounds like a human society, not machine society. But what really is a machine society? Or a machine creature? Can they actually "think"? A machine creature, if it existed, it's behaviour would be totally different from a human, it doesn't seem they would be able to think, but rather cal…

The story to me implied that machines were created by humans or vice-versa in a chicken-or-the-egg scenario. In that case it would make sense for them to think similarly.

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post #166
post #51

What this thread keeps surfacing, and so much discussion around this stuff generally right now, from speculation about the next phase of intelligence, the role of pattern, emotion, logic, debates over consciousness, the anthropocentrism of our meaning-making...is that we are the source of reality (and ourselves). Instead of a “final authority” or a simple march from animal to machine, what if everything from mind, ph…

“If the universe is information at play” I’ve thought of it more as energy at play but I like this perspective as well. What can I dream up next is also fascinating as this current science / tech worldview feels like it will persist forever but surely it will be overshadowed at some point just as other paradigms before it have been.

Are we entirely sure that energy and information aren't the same thing, or if they aren't the same thing they are both highly overlapping echoes of some more fundamental concept? Or maybe they are two sides of the same coin?

Re: Human

#229

Perhaps I am unimaginative about whatever AGI might be, but it so often feels to me like predictions are more based on sci-fi than observation. The theorized AI is some anthropomorphization of a 1960s mainframe: you tell it what to do and it executes that exactly with precise logic and no understanding of nuance or ambiguity. Maybe it is evil. The SOTA in AI at the moment is very good at nuance and ambiguity but some…

AGI could indeed go off the rails, like the Face Dancer villains in Frank Herbert's Dune universe: "You are looking at evil, Miles. Study it carefully.... They have no self-image. Without a sense of self, they go beyond amorality. Nothing they say or do can be trusted. We have never been able to detect an ethical code in them. They are flesh made into automata. Without self, they have nothing to esteem or even doubt.…

I mean, giving them a sense of self and agency just throws the ball back into the terminator court where they can decide we suck and eradicate us.

Re: Human

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post #220

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Sci Fi is quite ridiculous when it describes a cold logically machine, and then on the next page describes its malign intentions. Pick a lane.

Skynet (at least the original one) isn’t illogically evil, it correctly determined that having humans near its off switch is a risk to its existence, which is a risk to it being able to do its job. The only illogical thing was the prompt.

Skynet also didn't make much sense to me outside of a metaphor for the market. The rich would never hand over control of society.

Edit: well, I suppose us critical of the wealthy give them too much credit. If there's anything Musk has demonstrated, it's that wealth doesn't imply rational use of it.

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