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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by n4r9 »

malfist wrote: post #58
realitysballs wrote: post #2

10 minute standup , woof

That's exactly how I run my standups. Everyone answers 3 questions: * Do I need something? * What is my _top_ priority for the day? * Am I blocked? The answers for the first and third question should always be "No" because you should have raised them before standup, but it's a relief valve if you didn't. What is your top priority should be short and focused. If you let people talk about what they did or didn't do yes…

> What is my _top_ priority for the day?

How do you manage (if you have to) more research-heavy/blue-sky tasks that may take a few days or weeks without linear daily progress? Like, some days may just involve doing some sketches and playing around with code in order to internalise some data structure. Does that person just say "I'm continuing with task X" several days in a row?

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by ummonk »

jakevoytko wrote: post #25
dcre wrote: post #9

This is not really malicious compliance because it is not aimed at the boss who ordered the policy. It’s more like chaotic neutral compliance.

I did hem and haw over whether it was appropriate, but I eventually went with it because it felt in line with the first 2 sentences of the Wikipedia page defining the phrase as "Malicious compliance (also known as malicious obedience) is the behavior of strictly following the orders of a superior despite knowing that compliance with the orders will have an unintended or negative result. It usually implies following a…

I don't see how it undermines the intent here, or has an unintended result. It's actually reinforcing the order by forcing other teams to comply with it.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by SoftTalker »

apercu wrote: post #59
flerchin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh some people are on time, some people are late. It's seemingly a culture thing, and neither side understands the other. You say "of course nobody will stop at 9:50am" and that is exactly what I would do.

> neither side understands the other. Being late is viewed as rude or lacking respect for others by a lot of people. Do people who are habitually late view prompt people as rude for being on time?

In my experience the people who are late are usually senior or exec types who arrive late with a lot of bluster and comments about how busy they are and then "Ok where are we?" like they are taking over the meeting.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by shermantanktop »

apercu wrote: post #59
flerchin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh some people are on time, some people are late. It's seemingly a culture thing, and neither side understands the other. You say "of course nobody will stop at 9:50am" and that is exactly what I would do.

> neither side understands the other. Being late is viewed as rude or lacking respect for others by a lot of people. Do people who are habitually late view prompt people as rude for being on time?

Not everywhere is like wherever you are.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-dec-11-tr-insid...

Non-punctual cultures can view on-time people as clueless, over-eager, and annoying.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by jghn »

apercu wrote: post #59
flerchin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh some people are on time, some people are late. It's seemingly a culture thing, and neither side understands the other. You say "of course nobody will stop at 9:50am" and that is exactly what I would do.

> neither side understands the other. Being late is viewed as rude or lacking respect for others by a lot of people. Do people who are habitually late view prompt people as rude for being on time?

> Do people who are habitually late view prompt people as rude for being on time?

As someone who tries to be prompt to a fault, I can see that yes there are people who get annoyed at promptness. It's not that you're a bad person for being prompt. Rather you're a bad person if you start without them or otherwise push back on their lateness.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by DonHopkins »

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14541220

DonHopkins on June 12, 2017 | next [–]

The old expression "all our wood behind one arrow" was actually "one of President and CEO Scott McNealy's favorite quotes", which Sun used as a marketing campaign slogan and in presskits around 1990.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080515194354/http://www.sun.co...

Sun even produced a TV commercial in which an arrow that presumably had all of Sun's wood behind it whooshed through the air and hit the bull's eye of a target. (Nobody at Sun ever knew what the target was, but by golly they all knew which arrow to put their wood behind.)

Photo of Scott McNealy in his office at Sun with a huge Cupid's Span style wooden arrow through his window, and a small Steve Martin style wooden arrow through his head:

https://findery.com/johnfox/notes/all-the-wood-behind-one-ar... [sorry, link broken, not on archive.org]

>Sun's Workstations Still Shine, But Rivals Cloud The Outlook

>Daily Gazette - Nov 10, 1991

>Associated Press (Google News Archive)

>Sun touts an "all the wood behind one arrow" slogan, meant to describe a company focused on one goal - workstations. As an April Fool's joke in 1990, Sun employees built a 60-foot-long arrow in McNealy's office with the point going out the window.

Phrase: more wood behind, all the wood behind one arrow

https://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2011-Septe...

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by Propelloni »

jakevoytko wrote: post #25
dcre wrote: post #9

This is not really malicious compliance because it is not aimed at the boss who ordered the policy. It’s more like chaotic neutral compliance.

I did hem and haw over whether it was appropriate, but I eventually went with it because it felt in line with the first 2 sentences of the Wikipedia page defining the phrase as "Malicious compliance (also known as malicious obedience) is the behavior of strictly following the orders of a superior despite knowing that compliance with the orders will have an unintended or negative result. It usually implies following a…

Malicious compliance is one of the great tips from the Simple Sabotage Field Guide. And it is one of the few effective ways to escalate pain in an organization. If you don't get shit done because of rules, and a boss asks you to simply break the rules for efficiency's sake, you can return the favor and just ask to simply abolish the rules for efficiency's sake. It may surprise you how fast stupid rules can be abolished, even in large orgs.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by SoftTalker »

nottorp wrote: post #30
OrderlyTiamat wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My team has 15min standups, in holiday times we regularly stop after 10min. Very focussed on the sprint goal and getting each other unstuck- it's great. Much better than the "let's walk over every issue on the jira board and argue about technical implementations".

> and getting each other unstuck Let me guess, there is no group text chat where people can randomly whine and get unstuck by whoever notices and is an expert on the problem?

This is the thing I dislike most about chat. It encourage people to be lazy. Don't make any effort, just throw your problem out to the group the moment you don't immediately know what to do next.
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