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Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by nacker »

fatbird wrote: post #49
noonespecial wrote: post #31

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That's the proof that its working. As you say, when the child molesters are really and truly safe to speak their minds, everyone is. These people would exist anyway. Sometimes humanity sucks. Interesting though, TOR allowed you to study them in a way you would never have been able to otherwise. It merely disgusted you, but it could be a valuable resource to someone who studies how people break and thinks about what m…

Whether or not they exist anyway, it seems obvious to me that a supportive peer group is going to increase their effectiveness at predation. Perhaps they talk about it so much that they don't get around to doing it--studies on violent pornography and child pornography sometimes find that viewers use them as a safe outlet to actually doing it themselves. But that's a huge gamble. At present, TOR is simply enabling chi…

"At present, TOR is simply enabling child predators to be better child predators."

As are their cars, their phones, the air they breathe, etc.

When are smart people going to stop falling into this fallacy?

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by Cushman »

GFKjunior wrote: post #125
dhimes wrote: post #117

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I assume you are talking about "drug markets."

Why would that be any different from a weapons market? If either existed (in brick and motor or amazon style stores) I would frequent both regularly.

The difference, if I could put it in as mild a way as possible, is that it has yet to be conclusively demonstrated that safe, reliable access to weapons of known quality is a net positive to public health and safety.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by nacker »

DanBC wrote: post #107
runn1ng wrote: post #27

Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) GOD. There are seriously forums full of pedofiles sharing pictures and - maybe worse? - their stories and wisdoms. Maybe out of utter fascination, I spend about few hours on there and I felt like I want to murder all hu…

> Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) That was a ridiculously reckless thing for you to do. You've opened yourself up to a variety of legal sanctions. Knowingly, deliberately, breaking the law is a bafflingly dumb thing to do, especially when the conseque…

There are many bafflingly dumb laws. Hundreds of them. If I was smoking cannabis right now I might be thrown in jail for breaking the law. The problem is that there are so many stupid laws and so many state goons employed to enforce them.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by bestes »

telecuda wrote: post #41

I wish there were a simple way to communicate how large and widespread CP is, and how much law enforcement could use your smarts to go after these guys. There are more households sharing CP in your community than there are bus stops. (We can roughly map IPs of known CP files advertised over torrent networks.) There are too few innovators in this space because specifics on CP networks are privy to law enforcement, and…

Does anyone have references to studies or data? I tried looking once, but couldn't even find a proper definition.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by lolcraft »

GFKjunior wrote: post #125
dhimes wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you are talking about "drug markets."

Why would that be any different from a weapons market? If either existed (in brick and motor or amazon style stores) I would frequent both regularly.

Some of us see it as, drugs being something that one inflicts to oneself, while weaponry, assassination, terrorism and manufacture of pedophile pornography is, in contrast, inflicted to others by force.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by Cushman »

nacker wrote: post #134
DanBC wrote: post #107

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> Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) That was a ridiculously reckless thing for you to do. You've opened yourself up to a variety of legal sanctions. Knowingly, deliberately, breaking the law is a bafflingly dumb thing to do, especially when the conseque…

There are many bafflingly dumb laws. Hundreds of them. If I was smoking cannabis right now I might be thrown in jail for breaking the law. The problem is that there are so many stupid laws and so many state goons employed to enforce them.

Lots of people smoking weed right now would not shed a tear for you if you were arrested because you went looking for child pornography.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by nacker »

nsmartt wrote: post #45
mynameishere wrote: post #30

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freely allowed to say really anything Well, that's allowed on the normal internet for the most part.

That is utter nonsense. I don't even know where to begin. Technically, you can say whatever you want, but you cannot expect to avoid persecution (or prosecution) if you do.

The saddest aspect of this kind of discussion to me is to see how people argue in favor of their own oppression.

People seem to be increasingly conditioned by fear, and increasingly cowardly. What happened to sentiments like "Live free or die!" ?

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by nacker »

Cushman wrote: post #137
nacker wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many bafflingly dumb laws. Hundreds of them. If I was smoking cannabis right now I might be thrown in jail for breaking the law. The problem is that there are so many stupid laws and so many state goons employed to enforce them.

Lots of people smoking weed right now would not shed a tear for you if you were arrested because you went looking for child pornography.

So you missed my point exactly.

Would you not shed a tear for the OP then?

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by nacker »

praptak wrote: post #94
tuxcanfly wrote: post #24

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By the same logic, won't they be able to detect SSH tunneled traffic too?

There's a world of difference between "citizen spotted using SSH" and "citizen spotted using Tor". In the first case you are just one in a huge number of people using SSH to avoid sniffers. With Tor the authorities know you're doing something you'd rather not be seen doing. It's a much, much bigger red flag.

I'd rather "the authorities" would stop spying on me whatever I'm doing, and I believe everyone should actively send up as many red flags as possible to confuse the bastards.

I don't accept the authority of any random gang of thugs over me, from whatever part of the world, period.

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