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Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by noonespecial » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:31 PM UTC

runn1ng wrote: post #27

Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) GOD. There are seriously forums full of pedofiles sharing pictures and - maybe worse? - their stories and wisdoms. Maybe out of utter fascination, I spend about few hours on there and I felt like I want to murder all hu…

That's the proof that its working. As you say, when the child molesters are really and truly safe to speak their minds, everyone is.

These people would exist anyway. Sometimes humanity sucks. Interesting though, TOR allowed you to study them in a way you would never have been able to otherwise. It merely disgusted you, but it could be a valuable resource to someone who studies how people break and thinks about what might be possibly done to help or hinder them.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by klearvue » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:34 PM UTC

noonespecial wrote: post #28

tuxcanfly wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the same logic, won't they be able to detect SSH tunneled traffic too?

My advice would be to spin up a free EC2 instance, put a small "dog fancy" type blog/website up with a few articles about poodles, and then use something like openVPN to tunnel your traffic via tcp, port 443 through this. It looks like you're just doing your wordpress thing, fancying your dogs. Just watch how much data you tunnel this way. 500 gig in a month might raise some eyebrows. Also remember to use your regula…

If using OpenVPN, there is one precaution one must take - make sure your firewall prevents traffic escaping when your VPN connection fails. Shorewall lets you set up such an arrangement fairly easily. Many US poker players have been burnt this way when using overseas VPN services to play poker as operators are able to catch their real location during brief moments of VPN failure.

With SSH tunnel, if your connection fails, no traffic will escape regardless.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by rodolphoarruda » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:35 PM UTC

runn1ng wrote: post #27

Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) GOD. There are seriously forums full of pedofiles sharing pictures and - maybe worse? - their stories and wisdoms. Maybe out of utter fascination, I spend about few hours on there and I felt like I want to murder all hu…

Oh yeah. Ethics and moral values simply evaporate when we are unable to see/watch one another in society. We are suppressed animals. Go watch 'Blindness'[1]; it is the real life representation of the dark web.

[1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0861689/

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by raikia » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:35 PM UTC

wow

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by dsirijus » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:36 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #21

Tor was not "designed by the Navy" to protect dignitaries in cars or ships or whatever it is this article is alluding to. It was an academic research project for the NRL's CHACS group (NRL : CHACS :: MIT : Lincoln Lab). If you look at the project's publication history, it was almost from the jump (and continues to be today) a project intended to frustrate online censorship. The DOD, via both DARPA and the NRL, contin…

He mentioned that IDEA, not the implementation nor Tor were invented by the Navy.

I have no sources on either, but it does seem plausible that solution similar or exactly the same in the concept was used for communication during warfare.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by anonymous » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:37 PM UTC

runn1ng wrote: post #27

Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) GOD. There are seriously forums full of pedofiles sharing pictures and - maybe worse? - their stories and wisdoms. Maybe out of utter fascination, I spend about few hours on there and I felt like I want to murder all hu…

As wrong as it sounds, maybe it's for the better to have a forum where pedophiles can aggregate knowledge on how to safely (physically speaking) molest children. Also, I have to say that while I find the idea of sex with children repulsive, having a place where you can discuss the topic should be 100% ok.

Child rape is awful, talking about child rape is unsettling, but having someone proactively monitor my communications is even more unsettling. It feels like a stranger offering me candy.

Besides, for this particular problem, the best solution seems to be what we're already doing - tell as many children as possible that if someone tries to rape them, there are people who will listen and help.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by gizmo686 » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:37 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #20

gizmo686 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has not been tested in court yet, however the theory is that safe harbor laws apply.

Safe harbor laws?

They are a part of the DMCA that protects internet service providers who transfer illegal data with an automatic protocol. I think the intended case was to protect ISP so they would not need to police their network.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by nikcub » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:41 PM UTC

klearvue wrote: post #14

A word of advice for those living under truly oppressive governments - do not connect to Tor directly (nor to a Tor bridge, to be on the safe side). Get a cheap VPS/EC2 abroad and use SSH tunnel to connect to that and from then onwards - to a Tor bridge. The reason is that, if connecting to Tor directly, security services will be able to figure out you are using Tor (although not what you are using it for) and may ta…

Jeremy Hammond, aka. 'Anarchaos', the Lulzsec member from Chicago, who was raided and arrested[1] by the FBI used Tor and it is mentioned in his indictment as one of the points that lead to his identification.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/03/stakeout-how-the-...

[2] http://www.scribd.com/doc/84134934/Hammond-Jeremy-Complaint - Tor info starts at sec 37.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by debacle » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:49 PM UTC

jetti wrote: post #19

debacle wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is something that is covered extensively on the TOR FAQs. They actually recommend you set up a business entity to limit your liability.

Mind providing a link? I briefly looked at Tor's FAQ and couldn't find anything on that. Also, a business entity wouldn't help in the chance of criminal investigation, which means the money spent creating a business entity would be for naught.

https://blog.torproject.org/running-exit-node

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by Revisor » Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 6:49 PM UTC

Tor is meant for dissidents and the oppressed, that's all fine and cool. But for me as a business community admin Tor always, always means trouble. Either the user using it is a scammer, a fraud or in the best case only a troll.