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Re: Dusk OS

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Post by p0w3n3d »

etskinner wrote: post #42
p0w3n3d wrote: post #5

Tbh I agree with almost every word there, but I can't believe this OS would be of any help in such a situation. In dusk of our civilization it will not be possible to boot this OS from any modern computer. Those things nowadays don't even have CD. everything is dependent on internet, our data is being disowned by us and put into cloud. In case of broken internet the knowledge is going to be lost. And how we're going…

You don't need a CD drive to boot an OS. A humble USB stick does the trick. And nearly every computer made in the last 10 years has a USB port and the ability to boot from it

Sometimes it's only usb c. But... We're speaking about dusk of civilization. Pendrive don't live as long as CDs

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by StrangeDoctor »

nancyminusone wrote: post #9

I hope the author doesn't take this the wrong way, but this feels like another Temple OS driven by a different (perhaps milder) kind of insanity. It's quite technically impressive, but I'm not sure I'd know what to do with it if I were experiencing an apocalypse, in a way that would be more useful to me than an install of Windows XP or Linux or Freedos would be

I think the idea is:

some computing device is discovered, but the OS is bad/missing/old/not useful etc. Or possibly a novel computer is built from whatever is still around.

The computer itself would still be good if only it had an os.

Dusk OS is easy to port to new arch because it compiles from source on every(?) boot, and only needs a tiny kernel to be ported?

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by UncleOxidant »

os2warpman wrote: post #46
UncleOxidant wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to avoid a slow, painful, inevitable death in a hostile world surrounded by misery. Wow... there are probably several ways we could lose the ability to fab semiconductors. We can look back through history at…

The world is more than Europe. There are many domes that were built in the Middle East and Asia while Europe was trying to figure out how to fund expensive vanity projects (large domes). Computers aren't vanity projects.

> Computers aren't vanity projects.

Nor are they a requirement for survival. We didn't have computers until about the 1930s and somehow we survived as a species.

> The world is more than Europe.

Yes, very true. But under the conditions of some kind of serious disaster such as we're discussing we wouldn't have visibility into what's going on on the other side of the world either, just as they didn't. The Dark Ages in Europe weren't dark in places like China, but that didn't help you if you were living in Europe. (and even in Europe the "darkness" wasn't evenly distributed)

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by keybored »

os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

> The loss of the ability to make many things, including computers but also other more important things like the industrial process for making ammonia, globally, simultaneously, is the end of humanity.

The end of us sedentary people. No more ammonia by itself won’t affect hunter-gatherers and uncontacted peoples. But if we’re talking about not the end of these things in itself but an event like a nuclear winter: sure!

We’ve been through population bottlenecks in the distant past. Again, if we (reading this) die out not due to very severe climate change or nuclear winter, other kinds of humans could live on. Maybe.

By the way I think old-school Preppers are funny.[1] What’s the point of prepping with a bunker and canned goods? Truly. You don’t have enough time to train for the skills, or to hoard enough stuff, to survive in a post-civilizational state. You’re just prepping for surviving a few months at best, that’s it.

[1] This OS guy is probably more reflected.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by glitchc »

os2warpman wrote: post #26
WaitWaitWha wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to avoid a slow, painful, inevitable death in a hostile world surrounded by misery. Hmmm... At a very high altitude extinction-level events have sufficiently sharp edges. But, as we get closer to things it b…

Those were all local events. The only thing removing mankind's ability to make computers is a large (Chicxulub-ish-sized) meteor strike or andromeda-strain-like sci-fi story made real. Luckily, I'll be killed by tidal waves if a meteor hits the Atlantic and I'll be killed in the firestorm if it hits land anywhere on Earth. If it hits the Pacific or Indian oceans, it depends on the size. If large enough, I'll shoot my…

> Those were all local events

In a sufficiently catastrophic event (major loss of infrastructure), one wouldn't be able to tell if the event is local or global. To the people suffering from the Black Death, the event must have felt global as everyone they knew was experiencing it.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by vanschelven »

louthy wrote: post #48
os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

> Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event Semiconductors have been around for, what, 70 years? The idea that humans couldn’t survive without modern tech is ludicrous. Sure, there will be fewer humans, but extincting humans completely is likely to be incredibly difficult without an atmosphere-on-fire scale event.

I think the stated claim is that any event that takes out semiconductors takes out humanity, not that the lack of semiconductors itself does.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by ummonk »

keybored wrote: post #47
nancyminusone wrote: post #9

I hope the author doesn't take this the wrong way, but this feels like another Temple OS driven by a different (perhaps milder) kind of insanity. It's quite technically impressive, but I'm not sure I'd know what to do with it if I were experiencing an apocalypse, in a way that would be more useful to me than an install of Windows XP or Linux or Freedos would be

An OS for civilizational collapse is a million times more relevant than an OS dedicated to God.

Churches did a much better job of preserving knowledge through the "Dark Age" than did doomsayer prophets.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by oneZergArmy »

jollyllama wrote: post #6

Seems like a wishful thinking about the first stage portion of collapse. You're going to be more interested in running some obsolete version of Windows that controls some proprietary infrastructure hardware, not running calculations of whatever kind or building things from scratch.

Depends on the level of collapse, and say you get infrastructure up and running (temporarily, mind you, without manufacturing..) - what then? That's what this is for. Cobbling together the pieces left over.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by ummonk »

louthy wrote: post #48
os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

> Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event Semiconductors have been around for, what, 70 years? The idea that humans couldn’t survive without modern tech is ludicrous. Sure, there will be fewer humans, but extincting humans completely is likely to be incredibly difficult without an atmosphere-on-fire scale event.

The point isn't that humans couldn't survive without computers, but that any even that managed to stop humans globally from manufacturing computers would be such a massively disruptive event in much more important areas than computing.
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