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Re: Dusk OS

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Post by nonethewiser »

os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

>Any moderately-sized US state university can (and some have) build one from scratch: as in from fucking sand to "Shall we play a game?", all in one go.

I am quite surprised to hear that. Really?

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by skupig »

90s_dev wrote: post #2

> https://git.sr.ht/~vdupras/duskos/tree/master/item/fs/io/kbd... I don't know forth. Is this a driver? How does it talk to the hardware?

The USB host code is in fs/drv/usb: https://git.sr.ht/~vdupras/duskos/tree/master/item/fs/drv/us...

Not that I can read any of it... Forth looks unlike any other language I've ever seen o_O

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by nonethewiser »

ummonk wrote: post #10

There's a lot of idiosyncratic verbiage about stuff like collapse of civilization and users vs. operators, but it's not clear to me what makes this more lightweight or hackable than a typical lightweight RTOS or even just baremetal drivers running on a microcontroller.

Or why an "almost C compiler" is better than a C compiler.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by joshmarlow »

os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

To your point - we do have some chokepoints in supply chains here and there but I often wonder how much of that is due to the learning curve. As in, things are centralized because just how we as a civilization learned to build things in our particular historical context - if the context changes and the knowledge and resources are there to rebuild in a different way, we can.

Relatedly - a lot of things seem intrinsically capital intensive, but how much of that is due to the fact that we had large pools of capital when we learned to do those things?

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by iamjackg »

os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

Perhaps I'm ignorant, but I wonder why I haven't seen this aspect explored in post-apocalyptic media more. I mean, beyond the obvious fact that if we can "keep making computers" all of a sudden the apocalypse doesn't sound quite that bad, which would somewhat lower the stakes.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by os2warpman »

nonethewiser wrote: post #11
os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

>Any moderately-sized US state university can (and some have) build one from scratch: as in from fucking sand to "Shall we play a game?", all in one go. I am quite surprised to hear that. Really?

Yup!

Here's one in Utah: https://www.nanofab.utah.edu/

Here's one in Pennsylvania: https://www.mri.psu.edu/nanofabrication-lab

Here's one in California: https://nanofab.ucsb.edu/

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by packetlost »

nonethewiser wrote: post #11
os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

>Any moderately-sized US state university can (and some have) build one from scratch: as in from fucking sand to "Shall we play a game?", all in one go. I am quite surprised to hear that. Really?

It won't be small, but you can create PCBs pretty easily with chemical etching. I think making the silicon wafers is probably harder.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by [deleted] »

os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

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Re: Dusk OS

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

> Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to avoid a slow, painful, inevitable death in a hostile world surrounded by misery.

Hmmm... At a very high altitude extinction-level events have sufficiently sharp edges. But, as we get closer to things it becomes fuzzy. For examples: The Black Death (1347-1351), The Spanish Flu (1918-1919), The Great Chinese Famine (1959-1961), The Haitian Revolution (1791-1804), The Irish Potato Famine (1845-1852), each one of these events were extinction-level events for those in the middle of them. What year would you have selected to self terminate? Remember you would not have hindsight or knowledge that the events are temporary.

Re: Dusk OS

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Post by guhidalg »

nonethewiser wrote: post #11
os2warpman wrote: post #8

>Its primary purpose is to be maximally useful during the first stage of civilizational collapse, that is, when we can't produce modern computers anymore but that there's still many modern computers around. Any event or series of events that removes mankind's ability to produce modern computers is a global extinction-level event and rather than dicking around with computers one should really be considering suicide to…

>Any moderately-sized US state university can (and some have) build one from scratch: as in from fucking sand to "Shall we play a game?", all in one go. I am quite surprised to hear that. Really?

Depends on the state, but for my alma mater (Georgia Tech) I'm pretty confident the answer is yes.
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