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Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by throwaway5752 »

Xplan wrote: post #74
throwaway5752 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A clusterfuck describes chaos and disorganization. This is just a deliberate attack, it is being executed well. It is just malicious.

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You don't describe this like a person that possesses any domain expertise in the subject.

It wasn't a mechanism called the Chevron deference, it was law, as determined by the Supreme Court in "Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council".

The deference was on the part of the courts deferring to executive regulators when there was ambiguity, since the regulators were experts in a given field and the courts were generally legal experts. Not Congress.

That was overturned in Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo.

"non-elected, life-long positioned government employees" so, you mean, federal employees. Nothing about it is "life-long", you made that up. They could quit, change jobs, or be fired.

And "criminals" is false. It applied to civil statutes, not criminal ones. It goes on.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by ijk »

aaronbaugher wrote: post #88
robinsoncrusue wrote: post #71

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> the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science Why should my tax dollar subsidize for the dominance of US in science? How has US dominance in science helped the average American taxpayer in last decade other than funneling billions to arms or pharma industry or funding academians being out of touch with the rest of the country?

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Ah, the goomba fallacy in the wild! [1]

[1] https://x.com/BruhKonata1/status/1813650893960823042

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by BLenkomo »

aaronbaugher wrote: post #88
robinsoncrusue wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science Why should my tax dollar subsidize for the dominance of US in science? How has US dominance in science helped the average American taxpayer in last decade other than funneling billions to arms or pharma industry or funding academians being out of touch with the rest of the country?

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Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by jpeloquin »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #70
The5thElephant wrote: post #62

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Not doing basic research, and your research is entirely driven by short-term profit motives rather than long term benefit of humanity.

Bell Labs is a counterexample that ran for decades, and pharma companies have internal research labs, I know Motorola and Apple have, too. In my experience, industry can be vastly better funded, but the industry labs are internal and perhaps very hard to find.

Industry research is generally R&D (applied science, engineering research), not basic research (basic science). Not to disparage either; both are needed, but they are quite different and a person may be suited to one but not the other. It can be hard for someone looking for work to determine where an organization's focus is, as an outsider.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by FridayoLeary »

Xplan wrote: post #74
throwaway5752 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A clusterfuck describes chaos and disorganization. This is just a deliberate attack, it is being executed well. It is just malicious.

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  The court decided in 1984 that judges should defer to federal agencies in interpreting ambiguous parts of statutes.
I think overturning this is an overall win for democracy.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by grafmax »

Xplan wrote: post #74
throwaway5752 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A clusterfuck describes chaos and disorganization. This is just a deliberate attack, it is being executed well. It is just malicious.

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Republicans vs Democrats is indeed the wrong way to look at it. Both parties are beholden to the billionaire/corporate class. Democrats helped pave the way for Trump. Mass surveillance, extrajudicial killing of US citizens, militarization of law enforcement, expansion of executive powers, the list goes on.

I’m curious to what degree the narrative will once again be recuperated by the Democrats to obscure the class origins of these policies - the expansion of power of the corporate-government machine. The Dems have been successfully playing ping pong with the Republicans for many years without addressing our society’s structural failures because they don’t want to upset their monied masters.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by conn10mfan »

robinsoncrusue wrote: post #71
Onawa wrote: post #25

As a federal contractor within NIH, I can tell you that the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science. Even if every action taken by current administration is reversed, the uncertainty for foreign scientists is too much. Many that I have spoken to are looking for their exit from either gov or academic research, or looking to leave the United States completely. The Trump admins cuts are n…

> the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science Why should my tax dollar subsidize for the dominance of US in science? How has US dominance in science helped the average American taxpayer in last decade other than funneling billions to arms or pharma industry or funding academians being out of touch with the rest of the country?

it's not dominance, it's scientific achievement in general that benefits US citizens as well as the rest of the world

whether you care to admit or not, you've benefitted immensely from US investment in science, the entire digital & technological economy is downstream of basic scientific research

(the irony of a hacker news user and American taxpayer wondering how they've benefitted from tax dollars spent on science is not lost on me)

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by mystraline »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #52
throwaway5752 wrote: post #46

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It's not a clusterfuck. The librarian of congress move was a deliberate hostile attempt attempt by the executive to take control over the legislative branch. Just like AFL vs John Roberts is a hostile attempt to take over the judicial. It's an concerted attempted authoritarian takeover through bureaucratic methods. When they exhaust this, you'll see them frustrated and declare states of emergencies. The founders wrot…

"It's not a clustefuck" ... proceeds to describe a clusterfuck ... What was your intention here?

A clusterfuck us usually no real plan, and everyone deciding on their own, causing chaos.

No, what we are seeing is a coup. The USA has exhausted in causing coups in other parts of the world. Now, we are in a coup caused by the USA government.

The executive branch is captured. The courts are captured. Most of Congress is captured. Those left over whinge about 'illegal' and basically send out more emails for more donations. And throw in a few stump speeches.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by conn10mfan »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shFUDPqVmTg Sabine highlights the problem with scientific funding in this video and it should be required watching before posting on this thread. Reform is needed. Some good will be tossed with a lot of bad. Its a cycle, a pendulum, and it will eventually tip to excess again sometime in the future. For now... fixing what is broken ought to be the priority.

Sabine is pretty unreliable, checkout professor dave's explanation of her

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by neaden »

aaronbaugher wrote: post #88
robinsoncrusue wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science Why should my tax dollar subsidize for the dominance of US in science? How has US dominance in science helped the average American taxpayer in last decade other than funneling billions to arms or pharma industry or funding academians being out of touch with the rest of the country?

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Can you give me an example of a prominent American liberal who said the US was winning too many Olympic medals?
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