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Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

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So if all the negativity and people complaining is what made you hate HN so much you are leaving it, why do I have to read about it on... HN?

Thank you for so perfectly demonstrating my point..

That was deliberate, it's called irony. I really don't think using HN to complain about people complaining on HN is a very good move. Sorry, but I can't make anything else of it.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I shut down (albeit people can still sign in) a site called favilous which was a bookmarking site. And recently I read a book called Join Me by Danny Wallace and thought it would be cool to see if that translated to the web so I created www.11kclub.com but got castigated by HN for being unoriginal, for being a rubbish idea and for the manner in which it was posted. I accept people will be negative and won't like e…

Hmm, I just pasted the 11kclub URL into my browser. The front page has no info on what this is about, but you still go ahead and ask for some personal info. I looked at the favilous front page. It looks pretty decent. Good luck.

The "Join Me" book by Danny Wallace was written about his experience creating a cult. He was very vague, just asked people to join and submit a photo. Once they gained a critical mass, they were asked to perform "random acts of kindness". So, the 11kclub not getting a good reception on HN should have been expected. People here are always asked to sign up for some wishywashy buzzword filled website with promises of "changing the world". The reason Danny Wallace's cult signed so many people up is because he had his audience targeted correctly. HN is not a good target audience for "social bookmarking" nor for some "unknown cult".

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

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It's inevitable. Slashdot, Digg, Reddit, HN. On a two year or so schedule new ones come along, old ones become worse. People on here are already using those illiterate, infantile 'memes' to express themselves. The next step is HN gone wild. The only question is, where do I go next? I'm not going to pretend it's going to have than two years to live though.

It's not time, it's the number of people. There is a small range of numbers that make a valid community. Too few and there's no discussion. Too many, and they all compete to be heard like screaming children in a crowded lunchroom. It's a lot like a volleyball team. 1v1 doesn't work, 2v2 is meh, 3v3 up to 8v8 is fun. Any more than that and there are too many people and the communication process is too complex. Also, MMO game servers suffer from the same problems even though there is a hard limit to guild size and server population. There is no minimum, which sucks, and the maximum involves queue times and lag.

Here's a free startup idea for someone: Design an analytic process that determines the perfect userbase range for a successful community. It would have to scale according to niche. This would apply actual numeric goals for marketing campaigns. Instead of "the sky is the limit!" which we know is not true, you could provide an actual target and cut off membership (or start a second instance with an isolated userbase) at the maximum number.

Okay, now someone else do it, because I'm not smart enough.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

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Sigh. Personally, I don't have a problem with people being negative. 99% of startups fail, and I think it's worthwhile reminding people of that every now and then. Hacker News shouldn't live in some magical land where everyone is going to make the next billion dollar company. If you truly, genuinely, believe in your idea then you can take the negativity in your stride. There will be plenty of constructive feedback bu…

Right, a community of "haters" may be better than a community of "lovers." That goes against every fiber of my being, but the fact is, life's tough, and you're more likely to be right if you're negative. However, it does shock me how Hacker News just hates absolutely everything. I was so shocked when Nexus 7 first came out and the thread piled up with hundreds of negative comments just blasting Google for it. It was…

> Hacker News just hates absolutely everything

I think the accurate statement would be: Absolutely everything will find some people on Hacker News that hate it.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

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HNers are good people - we just need reminders regularly to do our duty to the community.

So, it seems that you are the cure to your own ailment:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4396195

I took ten of my valuable minutes to review the next thing on Ask HN - and hopefully constructively.

I guess it is just a problem of being reminded regularly that this is a community that needs contributing to as well as reading (my default). Perhaps more of us need to actually release something ! (maybe that could be a means to get a karma multiplier)

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

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Hi Steve, I don't know if you are going to read this, but I'm going to write it for the rest of the audience too. I think the trend of dismissing critics and commenting along the lines of "sour grapes" or "haters" very disturbing. Yes I go against your commentary. The great thing about internet and communities based on pseudonyms is that you get the first reaction that people have. Very few will take a few minutes to…

The trend was already well established by the time you got here. If you go back three years, you do see a different site that is far more accepting and far less technical. Early in the HN world, when I read an article, my first thought wasn't "let's see how HN have dismantled this".

For many things (especially raw information), I appreciate that cynicism. For launches and discussions around early products, it annoys me to no end. I think it really shows the character of a person who, when somebody puts themself out there, their first reaction is to tear them down.

Alas, there is probably nothing that can be done. It is the tragedy of the commons, where goodwill is the resource being depleted.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

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What projects are you working on now? If you're still stuck with a long commute and you are looking for something to build, you could try your hand at a Hacker News replacement. There are certainly enough people here jaded by the toxicity that would make the jump someplace new. My only piece of advice, if you decide do this, don't post it as a "Show HN". Reach out to smart people privately to beta test it.

Charge $50 for it. Keep out the riff-raff.
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