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The FTC puts off enforcing its 'click-to-cancel' rule

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Re: The FTC puts off enforcing its 'click-to-cancel' rule

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then explain why the rule was created in the first place?

Democrats see government differently than Republicans.

I would be even more specific and say that Lina Khan sees government differently than most Republicans and Democrats.

Re: The FTC puts off enforcing its 'click-to-cancel' rule

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That symmetrical registration/cancellation is being slow-walked like this is absurd (but under this admin, certainly not surprising).

It's absurd if you believe the point of government is to be by, for, and of the people. If you see government as a way to enhance the ability of the owner class to enrich themselves, it makes perfect sense.

"owner class" is too outdated and myopic. It's also incorrect, as plenty of people born into low income households go on to become elected representatives.

It's better to think about it in terms of "people who choose to pursue positions of power to benefit themselves financially while cosplaying as wanting to help the average person".

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A better system idea - every data point of user data needs a datetime stamp and source. Any request for your own private data will then come with datetime stamps and source origins for every piece of data they have of you. Thereby allowing you to cut off at the source and request deletion, which they must then propagate upstream or risk a fine per data point.

I suspect they have that already. They're not the types to let any potentially useful bit of data just vanish.

But they're not required to give it to you, and they won't.

Re: The FTC puts off enforcing its 'click-to-cancel' rule

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democrats see government differently than Republicans.

Well yes, I agree. But GP was saying "government" writ large behaves XYZ.

Which absolutely does not imply a monolith of people all working in perfect lock step.

It seems like you're looking to fight on the internet - would you consider a different activity instead?

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post #9

> the burdens that forcing compliance by this date would impose With no consideration given to how consumers may be harmed by non-enforcement meanwhile.

In any case, service providers are handling the burden of easy signup just fine...

Re: The FTC puts off enforcing its 'click-to-cancel' rule

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"If you can sign up online, you must be able to cancel online, too."

That leaves a lot of room for the "Cancel" option to be buried in an obscure hard to find part of the website. I'd have hoped there was a requirement for it to be as prominent and as easy to find as the "Subscribe" option (and maybe there is, just not mentioned in this piece?)

Re: The FTC puts off enforcing its 'click-to-cancel' rule

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chargebacks might upset that being a big benefit, and being the firm that takes a stance for customer care could be good advertising fodder. Though I don't see it working unless they both do it in step which minimises the useful effect of that against each other. It could still be a benefit vs other payment methods, what is PayPal's policy on such things?

Number of people afraid to pickup the phone and talk to another human being instead of letting few hundred in forgotten subscription is larger than I previously thought. By that sense, without any data, I suspect that chargeback amount is wayyyy smaller headache compared to txn fees from forgotten uncancelled subscriptions.

It has nothing to do with fear. Have you ever tried to call in and cancel one of these services? If you're even able to find the right number to reach anyone, or after you've already waited an absurdly long time to do so, you'll be transferred around until you get frustrated and give up, or be subjected to extremely aggressive sales tactics trying to pressure you to stay on. I got to the point with one of those DNA sites where I had to ask about next steps for legal action to the representative before they'd even consider getting to the step where I could cancel my subscription - and even after that, still got charged and had to call again.

It's maybe comforting to think "oh, people just don't want to call, they'd rather eat the fees" when this is way over simplifying the problem and giving way too much credit to sites that operate this way.

Re: The FTC puts off enforcing its 'click-to-cancel' rule

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absurd if you believe the point of government is to be by, for, and of the people. If you see government as a way to enhance the ability of the owner class to enrich themselves, it makes perfect sense.

"owner class" is too outdated and myopic. It's also incorrect, as plenty of people born into low income households go on to become elected representatives. It's better to think about it in terms of "people who choose to pursue positions of power to benefit themselves financially while cosplaying as wanting to help the average person".

Just because they weren’t born into the owner class (or “capital class”) doesn’t mean they didn’t work their way into it. That’s kind of the American dream.
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