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Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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Humans can be held accountable. Machines can't. AI dilutes responsibility.

What do you mean held accountable? No HR human is going to jail for overlooking your resume. If you mean that a human can be fired when they overlook a resume, an AI system can be be similarly rejected and no longer used.

Humans can be held accountable when they discriminate against groups of people. Try holding a company accountable for that when they're using an AI system.

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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I think most people who want to "opt out of AI" don't actually understand where AI is used. Every Google search uses AI, even the ones that don't show an "AI panel" at the top. Every iOS spellcheck uses AI. Every time you send an email or make a non-cryptocurrency electronic payment, you're relying on an AI that verifies that your transaction is legitimate. I imagine the author would respond, "That's not what I mean!…

I'm just not sure I see where AI has made my search results better or more reliable. And until it can be proven that those results are better, I'm going to remain skeptical.

I'm not even sure what form that proof would take. I do know that I can tolerate non-deterministic behavior from a human, but having computers demonstrate non-deterministic behavior is, to me, a violation of the purpose for which we build computers.

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans can be held accountable. Machines can't. AI dilutes responsibility.

What do you mean held accountable? No HR human is going to jail for overlooking your resume. If you mean that a human can be fired when they overlook a resume, an AI system can be be similarly rejected and no longer used.

No, not really. If a single HR person is fired, there are likely others to pick up the slack. And others will likely learn something from the firing, and adjust their behavior accordingly if needed.

On the other hand, "firing" an AI from AI-based HR department will likely paralyze it completely, so it's closer to "let's fire every single low-level HR person at once" - something very unlikely to occur.

The same goes with all other applications too: firing a single nurse is relativel easy. Replacing AI system with a new one is a major project which likely takes dozens of people and millions of dollars.

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean held accountable? No HR human is going to jail for overlooking your resume. If you mean that a human can be fired when they overlook a resume, an AI system can be be similarly rejected and no longer used.

Humans can be held accountable when they discriminate against groups of people. Try holding a company accountable for that when they're using an AI system.

You haven’t explained how it’s different

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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What do you mean held accountable? No HR human is going to jail for overlooking your resume. If you mean that a human can be fired when they overlook a resume, an AI system can be be similarly rejected and no longer used.

You cannot punish an AI - it has no sense of ethics or morality, nor a conscience. An AI cannot be made to feel shame. You cannot punish an AI for transgressing. A person can be held responsible, even when it's indirect responsibility, in a way that serves as a warning to others, to avoid certain behaviors. It just seems wrong to allow machines to make decisions affecting humans, when those machines are incapable of…

Humans making the decision to use AI need to be responsible for what the AI does, in the way that the owner/operator of a car is responsible for what the car does.

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean held accountable? No HR human is going to jail for overlooking your resume. If you mean that a human can be fired when they overlook a resume, an AI system can be be similarly rejected and no longer used.

Humans can be held accountable when they discriminate against groups of people. Try holding a company accountable for that when they're using an AI system.

I don't think humans actually can be held accountable for discrimination in resume screening. I've only ever heard of cases where companies were held accountable for discriminatory tests or algorithms.

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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> Imagine applying for a job, only to find out that an algorithm powered by artificial intelligence (AI) rejected your resume before a human even saw it. Or imagine visiting a doctor where treatment options are chosen by a machine you can’t question. I wonder when/if the opposite will be as much of an article hook: "Imagine applying for a job, only to find out that a human rejected your resume before an algorithm pow…

>Or imagine visiting a doctor where treatment options are chosen by a human you can’t question That really struck a chord with me. I've been struggling with chronic sinusitis, without really much success. I had ChatGPT o3 do a deep research on my specific symptoms and test results, including a negative allergy (on my shoulder) test but that the doctor observed allergic reactions in my sinuses. ChatGPT seemed to do a…

> I do need another couple months to really have a good data point.

You need another couple months to really have a good anecdote.

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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I think most people who want to "opt out of AI" don't actually understand where AI is used. Every Google search uses AI, even the ones that don't show an "AI panel" at the top. Every iOS spellcheck uses AI. Every time you send an email or make a non-cryptocurrency electronic payment, you're relying on an AI that verifies that your transaction is legitimate. I imagine the author would respond, "That's not what I mean!…

Came here to say exactly that. The use of "AI" as a weird, all-encompassing boogeyman is a big part of the problem here - it's quickly growing to mean "any form of technology that I don't like or don't understand" for a growing number of people.

The author of this piece made no attempt at all to define what "AI" they were talking about here, which I think was irresponsible of them.

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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I think most people who want to "opt out of AI" don't actually understand where AI is used. Every Google search uses AI, even the ones that don't show an "AI panel" at the top. Every iOS spellcheck uses AI. Every time you send an email or make a non-cryptocurrency electronic payment, you're relying on an AI that verifies that your transaction is legitimate. I imagine the author would respond, "That's not what I mean!…

Somewhere in 2024 I noticed that "AI" shifted to no longer include "machine learning" and is now closer to "GenAI" but still bigger than that. It was never a strict definition, and was always shifting, but it made a big shift last year to no longer include classical ML. Even fairly technical people recognize the shift.

It swings both ways. In some circles, logistic regression is AI, in others, only AGI is AI.

Re: Avoiding AI is hard – but our freedom to opt out must be protected

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I think most people who want to "opt out of AI" don't actually understand where AI is used. Every Google search uses AI, even the ones that don't show an "AI panel" at the top. Every iOS spellcheck uses AI. Every time you send an email or make a non-cryptocurrency electronic payment, you're relying on an AI that verifies that your transaction is legitimate. I imagine the author would respond, "That's not what I mean!…

I'm just not sure I see where AI has made my search results better or more reliable. And until it can be proven that those results are better, I'm going to remain skeptical. I'm not even sure what form that proof would take. I do know that I can tolerate non-deterministic behavior from a human, but having computers demonstrate non-deterministic behavior is, to me, a violation of the purpose for which we build compute…

"I'm just not sure I see where AI has made my search results better or more reliable."

Did you prefer Google search results ten years ago? Those were still using all manner of machine learning algorithms, which is what we used to call "AI".

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