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Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by dullcrisp »

silotis wrote: post #55
sethammons wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not remotely aware of this case. How does those words, or any words, on a gun case/cover relate to mental health issues? This isn't a manifesto; it is more like "guard dog? Beware of owner!" decal, or a Calvin pissing on a coexist sticker. Or truck nuts. These might be distasteful to some but is unrelated to mental health. I'd be more worried about my former neighbor who had an unhealthy love of maglite flashlig…

The "you're fucked" was written on the inside of the ejection port dust cover so that it would become visible after the weapon was fired. The implication is that he was eager to shoot someone.

I’d say the medium is the message in this case.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by lostlogin »

sethammons wrote: post #26
jMyles wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no one remembers it. That doesn't resonate with my experience. People know about the murder, but aren't sure what to do. The murderer, who clearly had mental health issues (eg, having "you're fucked" on the dust cover of his personal AR-15, which he used to commit the act), was acquitted (in a trial of strange circumstances). It's baffling that none of his colleagues - who saw the message on his weapon - ever pulle…

I am not remotely aware of this case. How does those words, or any words, on a gun case/cover relate to mental health issues? This isn't a manifesto; it is more like "guard dog? Beware of owner!" decal, or a Calvin pissing on a coexist sticker. Or truck nuts. These might be distasteful to some but is unrelated to mental health. I'd be more worried about my former neighbor who had an unhealthy love of maglite flashlig…

You find your neighbours torch collection more worrying than aggressive messages left by someone who went on to kill?

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by OJFord »

bruce511 wrote: post #30
yen223 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were many people outraged by this photo? This is the first I've heard of the photo or the outrage, so I genuinely don't know

Get enough people and you'll find someone outraged about everything. If you want to modernize the analogy you might compare it to "school children identifying as cats and needing litterboxes" or any number of modern contemporary outrage over completely made up things.

> Get enough people and you'll find someone outraged about everything.

Internet/modern culture in a nutshell, really.

We're capable of being upset by things that 20 years ago we'd have had no idea of. Ditto then, by things we wouldn't have known of 20y prior to that.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by OJFord »

prmoustache wrote: post #32
giorgosts wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the filmmakers make the re-enactment though? For social media? For clicks over the interwebs? For context, by the late '20 programs were running for the elimination of Gypsies and disabled children inside concentration camps. Pieces of burned clothing were found on rooftops. Even Britain had a eugenics program against inferior races. Not likely therefore made to cause outrage over children's rights, rather…

To these days, there are kids dressed at chimney sweep in a lot of weddings in many german speaking countries. I know one of my daughter did dress that way in a friend's wedding when I was living in Switzerland. People think about the tradition of them bringing good omen and how cute they look, not gruesome children labor.

Haven't heard of children doing it, but similarly in the UK many working modern sweeps also do (paid) wedding appearances, kiss the bride for luck etc. Bit of a weird tradition! No idea how common it is, denominated by #weddings, not that, I'd guess.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by GuB-42 »

irjustin wrote: post #15
dlkmp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? It was a real world practice, but long gone already at that time (in the mentioned parts of Europe at least).

I'll play's devil's advocate - is there really a difference? People were angry (rightfully so) at children chimney sweeps and they definitely existed, were abused and did die/have horrible problems/etc. So the outrage is justified. Now, the specific picture isn't true/authentic, but the contents of the picture definitely existed did. So is it wrong?

> the contents of the picture definitely existed

No it didn't, according to the article, 3 year olds weren't chimney sweeps and the tools the child carries are not the appropriate size.

It is as much as a reenactment as a kid in a cow-boy costume today. Having a kid dress up like their daddy at work is cute, and I am sure that that's how people saw it.

But a long time have passed, and it is easy to imagine people of the past as some kind of barbarians. Sure, they did some things that are unacceptable now, but we are missing a lot of nuance.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by cortesoft »

dcminter wrote: post #10
pavel_lishin wrote: post #8

> But the pavement looked familiar to me, I’m specialised in Europe during the 1920s-40s and have worked on a project about daily life in Berlin in the 1920s and I’ve seen that pavement in other old footage and in countless photos. I visited Jerusalem yesterday, and was struck by the fact that there are places in the world where people have been continuously walking for millennia, putting their feet on the same stone…

The Guildhall in London is one of the old political centres of the city. If you go down into the basement there's the remains of a Roman ampitheatre! Tucked away in an alcove on Cannon Street is an old block of stone. This is the famous London Stone. So old that nobody knows what it is originally famous for... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildhall,_London https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Stone That sort of…

I noticed this street level thing a ton when I visited Athens. You would be walking down the street, and suddenly there would be a very old cathedral of some kind 20 feet or so lower than the surrounding street. I found it fascinating.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by cortesoft »

noosphr wrote: post #9

There should be a name for the phenomenon where people upset about some injustice pick the least plausible example to use as the cause celebre of the injustice. For a more modern take I can't understand why Daniel Shaver is not the face of police murder in the US. The video is on YouTube, you can find the unedited version with a Google search. There is no benefit of the doubt to give. It was straight up murder done o…

It’s because there is no controversy. There isn’t anyone arguing that the cop who did it was actually justified. Everyone agrees.

A story lives on when people argue over things. If no one argues the other side of something, the story just kind of fades away.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by pfdietz »

OJFord wrote: post #64
pfdietz wrote: post #49

The boy would be the right age to be a soldier in WW2. So there's a good chance he died then.

At most 18 in 1945, a higher chance than now for sure but not hugely probable, a lot lower than having been 18 in 1839 even for example.

It looks like he was born in 1924 (if the picture at the bottom has him being 2 years old in 1926).

This was just within the age cohort of maximum risk, with 35% of German males born in 1924 dying in the war.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7668418/

I find a person with his name, born in 1925, died in the war in July 1944:

https://www.volksbund.de/en/erinnern-gedenken/gravesearch-on...

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