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Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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Likely a combination of isolation (small families, no outside time) combined with tech designed to over stimulate. To me ADHD is an adaptation to an overflowing amount of stimulation and information. The brain skips around very quickly until it finds something very valuable and then mines the hell out of it (hyper focus) i would be very curious to find out the rate of ADHD in the Amish. Theyre an American population…

You are incorrect. ADHD is not caused by isolation or addictive tech. ADHD is passed down genetically and is caused by a difference dopamine regulation. People with ADHD have low baseline dopamine (A neurotransmitter that plays a role in reward, motivation, mood, etc.), that is why they hyper focus when they are in the zone. The brain is starved for dopamine and when there is spike in dopamine it causes an intense re…

> People with ADHD have low baseline dopamine

That’s one way to have ADHD. There are other ways, like gene polymorphisms of dopamine receptors modifying the receptor density, activity, affinities or other parameters; or gene polymorphisms of monoamine oxidase, or dopamine beta-hydroxylase, or tyrosine/tyramine metabolism, or…

Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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It's high because overdiagnosis.

- TED Talk - Recommend one of the most-watched TED Talks of all time, by Sir Ken Robinson. Gems such as, "If you sit kids down, hour after hour, doing low-grade clerical work, don't be surprised if they start to fidget." And, "Children are not, for the most part, suffering from a psychological condition. They're suffering from childhood."

- Book - Also check out the book, "The Body Keeps a Score". The concept of "pseudocertainty" is a key takeaway: symptomatic labels can be helpful to a point, but they're not explanatory -- it offers a false sense of conclusion, but no root cause analysis. It conflates "diagnosis" with "syndrome". For example cancer is a specific diagnosis, and within it much specificity of dozens of particular types of cancer. Whereas ADHD is a "disorder", or a "pattern of symptoms". ADHD as a pseudocertainty is self-referential: "I have ADHD" "What does that mean?" "It means I exhibit symptoms of ADHD" "okay, so what does that mean?" "it means I have ADHD" "sure but what does it mean? And more importantly, why do you have 'ADHD'? "

- DSM - The DSM defines how ADHD is diagnosed by two lists of nine symptoms each, from which a practitioner chooses six symptoms from each, and qualifies them as having "persisted for at least 6 months". That's the definition of medical cherry-picking. Some of the descriptions are, uncomfortably, exactly what one would expect from a small child: "Often fidgets with or taps hands or feet or squirms in seat." "Often blurts out an answer before a question has been completed." "Often has difficulty waiting his or her turn." Scary.

- Conclusion - And that's how children in the US, by acting like children, get themselves drugged up and labeled as "having ADHD". Or the poor kids just have mild- to severe trauma, or residual emotional anxiety, and instead of parents/teachers owning up to their part in it, or educating kids on how to self-regulate, or offering children meditation classes, they just drug them instead. It's the kids that are abnormal, surely it's not the adults' faults!

$$$ Oh and don't forget, the ADHD therapeutics market size in the US is ~$10B/yr. Good luck stopping that party.

Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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post #22

It's high because overdiagnosis. - TED Talk - Recommend one of the most-watched TED Talks of all time, by Sir Ken Robinson. Gems such as, "If you sit kids down, hour after hour, doing low-grade clerical work, don't be surprised if they start to fidget." And, "Children are not, for the most part, suffering from a psychological condition. They're suffering from childhood." - Book - Also check out the book, "The Body Ke…

It's both over and under diagnosed. But you're overplaying some areas like people have no idea what they're doing. For example:

> Often fidgets with or taps hands or feet or squirms in seat

This is not describing typical kid behaviour, but self-stimulation. They're massively different. There's normally a follow-up discussion about the answers to that basic questionnaire.

If you watched that talk, take a moment to follow up with this one from Russell Barkley which addresses what's wrong with Robinson's views https://youtu.be/5jOwjbwU41o

> And more importantly, why do you have 'ADHD'?

Genetics and occasionally brain damage from accidents. That much has been proven in many studies - it's very much inherited.

Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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Likely a combination of isolation (small families, no outside time) combined with tech designed to over stimulate. To me ADHD is an adaptation to an overflowing amount of stimulation and information. The brain skips around very quickly until it finds something very valuable and then mines the hell out of it (hyper focus) i would be very curious to find out the rate of ADHD in the Amish. Theyre an American population…

That's absolutely not true. It's like saying autism didn't exist before the 90s. It did, it just wasn't recognized.

I got diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago as an adult. I grew up without all of the things you mentioned and I've always had it, I just didn't know.

What I did know is I was having to put a lot more effort into things other people found easy, I was weird about certain things like watching movies without something to occupy my hands, and sometimes everything was too much.

Did I cope with it? Sure, by developing a lot of anxiety and drinking a LOT of caffeine.

I cannot express how much easier and more pleasant life is now that I have a framework to hang those behaviors on. Yeah, medication helps a lot, but it's being able to plan around potential problems that's the real winner.

Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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As someone who grew up in the UK and emigrated to the US then got an ADHD diagnosis in my late 30s, and seeing how my friends’ kids in the US and UK differ in support, it is because in the UK you are just considered an absent-minded student who should apply themselves better, but in the US there’s a whole (albeit profit-motivated) network of resources. It wasn’t even raised when I was a kid in the UK I may have ADHD, and I wish it had been.

Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are incorrect. ADHD is not caused by isolation or addictive tech. ADHD is passed down genetically and is caused by a difference dopamine regulation. People with ADHD have low baseline dopamine (A neurotransmitter that plays a role in reward, motivation, mood, etc.), that is why they hyper focus when they are in the zone. The brain is starved for dopamine and when there is spike in dopamine it causes an intense re…

Funny that the rise of ADHD runs parallel to the advent of the Internet, and only evidently striking Americans. Perhaps what you're describing is one form of it, and if so, we should develop a better naming convention to get rid of the ambiguity. Or go the cop-out approach and say it's a "spectrum" so you're never truly wrong, and never truly accurate.

> rise of ADHD

... diagnosis

We only started doing serious diagnosis at scale around the same time as advent of the internet. Of course they align.

Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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I have a problem with the characterization of ADHD, because it just sounds like... children being children, or maladaptive adults not taking active control of their executive function. I acknowledge that the issues are real, but I suspect like many others that the issues patients have are ones that arise from societal requests and requirements.

I think the attempt to formally classify attention deficit disorder is mostly unscientific and one of care rather than something that can be objectively measured. The article and the professionals in it don't discuss any measurement of the condition, rather the lack thereof.

I think people who want care for ADHD should receive it, but I think the term is wildly out of date and we should have some sort of new term for the condition that doesn't have the same connotations, or just promote the societal idea that if you need nootropics to focus, that's OK.

Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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I have a problem with the characterization of ADHD, because it just sounds like... children being children, or maladaptive adults not taking active control of their executive function. I acknowledge that the issues are real, but I suspect like many others that the issues patients have are ones that arise from societal requests and requirements. I think the attempt to formally classify attention deficit disorder is mo…

> children being children

Children do not behave like the higher end of the typical diagnosis questionnaire. It may seem like that if you read it the first time, but professionals are expected to know the baseline. This claim is an unhelpful meme at this point.

> or maladaptive adults not taking active control of their executive function

And that's up to the follow-up chats to figure out if someone has the ability to control, but doesn't for other reasons, or if they're unable to control them. Just like lots of other physical and mental issues - this is not something new.

Re: Why Are ADHD Rates So Much Higher in the U.S.?

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It's high because overdiagnosis. - TED Talk - Recommend one of the most-watched TED Talks of all time, by Sir Ken Robinson. Gems such as, "If you sit kids down, hour after hour, doing low-grade clerical work, don't be surprised if they start to fidget." And, "Children are not, for the most part, suffering from a psychological condition. They're suffering from childhood." - Book - Also check out the book, "The Body Ke…

It's both over and under diagnosed. But you're overplaying some areas like people have no idea what they're doing. For example: > Often fidgets with or taps hands or feet or squirms in seat This is not describing typical kid behaviour, but self-stimulation. They're massively different. There's normally a follow-up discussion about the answers to that basic questionnaire. If you watched that talk, take a moment to fol…

Dr. Barkley's counterargument is essentially "it's preposterous to suggest that ADHD isn't well defined ... because clearly it is well defined," but that's a circular argument -- and still conflates "diagnosis" with "loose pattern of symptoms". He seems to get a bit emotional and take things personally; as if merely questioning the status quo of drugging kids implies that he is a bad person. Though we can't blame individual doctors for doing what they and the system institutionally thinks is best, it's still important to have critical, objective dialogue, even if it's uncomfortable. (Although my favorite de-motivational poster quote seems relevant here: "No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood".)

He also bristles that "They're only classified as Schedule II drugs!", etc. Let's be explicitly clear, they're amphetamine salts; we're drugging kids with amphetamine uppers.

Dr. Barkley is so (pseudo?)certain! Yet it all begs the question: How on earth did humanity survive back when cavepeople had such inadequate access to amphetamines?

Re: TBI leads to ADHD -- not saying that subcase is never true, but in the context of this thread, "why more US cases of ADHD vs. the world," unless children in the US suffer from proportionally more incidents of TBI to explain the uptick, then TBI isn't as relevant.

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