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US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Post by xnx »

repelsteeltje wrote: post #44
xyzzy9563 wrote: post #9

Google is effectively being punished for retaining their earnings and re-investing in tons of software R&D over the years. Their "monopoly" is because people choose to use them, not because they have to. Not to mention they are are being disrupted by ChatGPT and other LLMs anyways right now. There have always been lots of web browsers and search engines, but Google simply did a better job making and refining their so…

> Google is effectively being punished for retaining their earnings and re-investing in tons of software R&D over the years They have indeed invested tons in r&d, but with excessively little results. Besides web search it's tough to see succeses that Google didn't buy their way into. Gmail, maps, ... maybe?

Who knows when or if this current AI wave would've happened without Google.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Post by kittikitti »

xyzzy9563 wrote: post #9

Google is effectively being punished for retaining their earnings and re-investing in tons of software R&D over the years. Their "monopoly" is because people choose to use them, not because they have to. Not to mention they are are being disrupted by ChatGPT and other LLMs anyways right now. There have always been lots of web browsers and search engines, but Google simply did a better job making and refining their so…

Google's research departments hyped up DeepMind's success in board games and enabled huge amounts of marketing which makes you believe this. However, DeepMind was a resounding failure after GPT's were released. If you look at the multiple documentaries, they now seem cringeworthy because of Google's arrogance about AI. Google did not simply do a better job, they acquired the companies that did and then convinced you that they were part of Google the entire time so they can take the credit.

I'm really glad that YC brought this against Google but it should be clear that YC also enabled them. It's a lie that YC is independent from Google as it partners and promotes their engineers and Big Tech allies. They see the writing on the wall and their lawyers see this as a hedge against lawsuits against them. "We didn't cause this mess, see look! We're trying to help!" YC also doesn't serve American startups at all and their entrepreneurs strongly favors California or India.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Post by voytec »

xyzzy9563 wrote: post #34
voytec wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. They are being punished for unfairly limiting competitiveness with repeated monopolistic practices affecting the browser/search markets relation.

But they only have high market share because people want to use Google instead of the competitors. Many consumers switch their search engine to Google when presented with other defaults. Because Google search works the best and people know that.

The aggressive marketing of Chrome on Google Search website to users using other browsers was a significant part of Chrome adoption success.

And no - some people didn't willingly and consciously switched to their search engine. It was pushed down their throats by browser vendors being paid-off by Google for setting it as the default one. Mozilla has overwritten user-changed search engine setting in Firefox with several updates.

Non tech-savvy users simply accept changes made in software they use.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Post by ksec »

hu3 wrote: post #49

These are the key points as I understand them: Amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief is being submitted by Y Combinator to pile on the US vs Google anti-trust case. YC asks court to basically cripple Google in their Search, Advertising and AI endeavours: - Open access to Google's datasets and search index. - Restrict Google's expansion into AI through monopolistic practices. - Limit Google exclusive agreements an…

Would YC have said the same if Google was YC funded? As much as I dislike Google I think some of the stuff they are asking are basically asking google to give up on ad or certain business.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Post by alabastervlog »

voytec wrote: post #54
xyzzy9563 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they only have high market share because people want to use Google instead of the competitors. Many consumers switch their search engine to Google when presented with other defaults. Because Google search works the best and people know that.

The aggressive marketing of Chrome on Google Search website to users using other browsers was a significant part of Chrome adoption success. And no - some people didn't willingly and consciously switched to their search engine. It was pushed down their throats by browser vendors being paid-off by Google for setting it as the default one. Mozilla has overwritten user-changed search engine setting in Firefox with sever…

When by far the most generous reading of a post is that it’s a low-effort troll, I’d recommend ignoring the poster entirely.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Post by echelon »

darth_avocado wrote: post #40
scarface_74 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s not pretend that YC and other VCs are noble. They get rich and pawn their money losing investments to the “bigger fool” https://medium.com/@kazeemibrahim18/the-post-ipo-performance... > In aggregate, the average return across these YC companies is -49%, with a median return of -46%. To put this into perspective, over the same period, the S&P 500 yielded a positive return of 58% And for the rest of the companies…

VC firms, not specifically YC, also tend to encourage monopolization when it comes to startups they are invested in. Have we not seen unicorns gobble up other smaller startups all the time?

You can compete with a unicorn. You can't compete with a trillion dollar company with a cash hoard larger than every unicorn.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Post by jrmg »

ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #53

This is just a few rich venture capitalists, and the harvard trained founders they back, trying to line their own pockets. AI will democratize search regardless

AI will democratize search regardless

What do you mean by this and how will it happen?

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