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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by dctoedt »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #849
snickerbockers wrote: post #676

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That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. It probably has more to do with America's predominant religion being protestantism by a very wife margin for most of the country's existence. We didn't have a Catholic president until Kennedy and even then proving to the common American that Catholics aren't insane Vatican mindslaves was considered…

> America's predominant religion being Protestantism Tangent: Protestantism is not a religion. The religion is called Christianity. I have seen this trend for quite a while of Protestants (or people born in Protestant countries) of referring to Christianity branches as religions. I find it very segregational. The whole point of all the branches is the same guy whose name begins with C. But yes, given the state of Ame…

> the same guy whose name begins with C

Nit: "Christ" is actually a title, not a name — it's the English version of the Greek Χριστός (christos), from the Hebrew mashiach (in English, messiah, anointed one).

His name was Yehoshua (or Yeshua or Y'shua, "Yahweh is salvation" — in English, "Joshua") whose Greek version is Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous, anglicized to "Jesus", although the Spanish pronunciation hay-sooss is closer to the Greek).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Name

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_(title)

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by sapphicsnail »

LexiMax wrote: post #951
api wrote: post #738

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The US has a history of hitting rock bottom every so often. First constitutional crisis leading to the replacement of the articles of confederation, civil war, Great Depression and the new deal, the Vietnam era, and now the collapse of the post Cold War order. I am not sure fascism will take here. Americans might think they want it until the fascists start telling them what to do. We are kinda starting to see that. W…

> I don’t understand why that particular thing works so well, even on some people you would not expect. When you engage these sorts of people and ask the right follow-up questions, there's some common underlying concerns that underpin the polite fictions. I've found that for men, they are scared that the next woman they look at covetously might have been AMAB. Even if they understand that there is a difference betwee…

I don't think this is happening organically. Trans people are such a small percentage of the population but we've been getting a ton of media coverage. There's a concerted effort on the right to demonize us and that filters down into the culture.

I can't speak to men but women are so much more comfortable around me since I came out. Most of my partners and friends have been cis women. One of the best parts of transitioning is random women will come up and talk to me when I'm running errands. This started happening early in my transition when I was very much visibly trans. People can be weird around me if they haven't met a trans person before but the people who are hostile tend to be terminally online.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by hirvi74 »

pvg wrote: post #936
hirvi74 wrote: post #921

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I appreciate the clemency, and will change my ways. Why are topics like this not considered Off-Topic by the guidelines?

Why are topics like this not considered Off-Topic by the guidelines? A recent tomhow (and why) explanation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43750046

Thank you for sharing that link.

I figured only the deaths of people relevant to topics discussed on this forum, but I suppose it is extended to any death of great importance.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by pvg »

hirvi74 wrote: post #963
pvg wrote: post #936

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Why are topics like this not considered Off-Topic by the guidelines? A recent tomhow (and why) explanation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43750046

Thank you for sharing that link. I figured only the deaths of people relevant to topics discussed on this forum, but I suppose it is extended to any death of great importance.

It’s roughly “sufficiently big or interesting real world events” for some value of sufficiently big or interesting.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by bobalob »

LexiMax wrote: post #951
api wrote: post #738

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has a history of hitting rock bottom every so often. First constitutional crisis leading to the replacement of the articles of confederation, civil war, Great Depression and the new deal, the Vietnam era, and now the collapse of the post Cold War order. I am not sure fascism will take here. Americans might think they want it until the fascists start telling them what to do. We are kinda starting to see that. W…

> I don’t understand why that particular thing works so well, even on some people you would not expect. When you engage these sorts of people and ask the right follow-up questions, there's some common underlying concerns that underpin the polite fictions. I've found that for men, they are scared that the next woman they look at covetously might have been AMAB. Even if they understand that there is a difference betwee…

> For women, I've found that they see men as biologically and intrinsically dangerous, and that a tiger doesn't change its stripes just because they are alienated from masculinity.

This is demonstrably true in many scenarios. Such as, males being transferred to women's prisons because they say they are women. As a consequence, female prisoners have been sexually assaulted and raped by these men. Drawing attention to this isn't misandry, it's reality.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by [deleted] »

ekianjo wrote: post #765
cjbgkagh wrote: post #422

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At 69 that's pretty close to half of his life, and since it's the early half there is more weight to it as it forms the context from which the rest is understood.

> the context from which the rest is understood. What? Speaking from experience, the country you go to after 20s is the one you choose, not the one you were forced to live in. This has a huge factor in your thinking more than the number of years on paper.

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by hollerith »

ekianjo wrote: post #765
cjbgkagh wrote: post #422

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At 69 that's pretty close to half of his life, and since it's the early half there is more weight to it as it forms the context from which the rest is understood.

> the context from which the rest is understood. What? Speaking from experience, the country you go to after 20s is the one you choose, not the one you were forced to live in. This has a huge factor in your thinking more than the number of years on paper.

But the Church hierarchy probably decided the young priest would be stationed in Peru, not the priest himself.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by soulofmischief »

90s_dev wrote: post #423
ralfd wrote: post #205

Is Pope Leo eligible to be voted President of the United States?

Why would that even be a good thing? Religion is inherently above politics. Politics is concerned for the temporal good of its subjects. Religion is concerned for the ethical and spiritual good of its subjects. Politics are short sighted and can never produce a paradise. Religion can produce a paradise in the soul of one even in the worst political and economic circumstances. Jesus was homeless and broke.

That doesn't seem to mesh with the fact that religion has historically been deeply tied to politics and governance. Meddling in political affairs is a routine thing for organized religions. The very existence of the Pope is a power play designed to make the Church's power seem more legitimate and justified than politicians.

Examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_tur...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Boleyn

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by ekianjo »

hollerith wrote: post #967
ekianjo wrote: post #765

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> the context from which the rest is understood. What? Speaking from experience, the country you go to after 20s is the one you choose, not the one you were forced to live in. This has a huge factor in your thinking more than the number of years on paper.

But the Church hierarchy probably decided the young priest would be stationed in Peru, not the priest himself.

Sure, but the fact that he stayed there for many many years means that it suited him. If you want the change countries the Church has processes for that.
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