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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by kens »

TMWNN wrote: post #766
PortiaBerries wrote: post #609

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It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.

>It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. The classic example being asking one "What is the immaculate conception?" That said, I have no reason to think that the average Catholic is more or less knowledgeable about his religion than any other Christian.

What most people get wrong is that the immaculate conception is the conception of Mary, not Jesus, and is completely different from virgin birth.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by wl »

9dev wrote: post #459
tantalor wrote: post #215

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Article I, Section 9, Clause 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Does that mean a president could be knighted, as long as it's a queen or princess doing the knighting?

"foreign State" still would seem to prohibit that.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by wl »

anon291 wrote: post #602
Towaway69 wrote: post #495

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Apparently Popes don't receive a salary, all expenses are covered by the church. Neither is there a retirement package since it's a job for life. I couldn't imagine a Pope applying for a pay raise. Or rather, to whom would the Pope got to get a pay raise ... hm ;)

He's a religious priest which means he cannot own anything other than personal accoutrements. Even if he were to take paid employment before becoming pope, he would have to give it away.

That vow of poverty goes away once a religious priest is consecrated a bishop.

https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/docume....

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by hokumguru »

cperciva wrote: post #719
mensetmanusman wrote: post #553

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These are the types of things talked about in small groups near your local cathedral by members of groups like Opus Dei everywhere around the world. All are welcome :)

All are welcome Including atheists?

Especially atheists

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by galaxyLogic »

I think he was chosen because people elsewhere don't likee American isolationism. They wanted to support the America that believes in the good, and we need support in these times. Maybe this Pope will be a strong advocate of peaceful co-existence, which is what we need.

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Post by card_zero »

Detrytus wrote: post #703
anonymars wrote: post #608

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> Cardinal Pizzaballa Not going to lie, I had to check that this was a real name (it is)

I have a coworker right now whose name is Carmelo Martini. Seriously, I had to ask him: "did your parents name you after their favorite drink?".

If we're doing funny name corner, I still remember Cardinal Sin (of Manila).

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by mmooss »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #757
matteotom wrote: post #593

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This (continuing Francis' school of thought) should be rather predictable - Pope Francis appointed the majority of voting cardinals, so it's not a stretch to think this is generally his intended outcome.

Not just a majority, but I read 80% of Cardinals that voted in the conclave. Francis was a smart man, and he knew that in order for his policies to continue he would need to ensure a like-minded successor would be elected.

Isn't that true of most moderately long-serving popes? How does it ever result in major differences between popes?

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Post by agumonkey »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #612
dragonwriter wrote: post #503

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> I guess I interpret it as "America has gone into political decline." I'm a bit surprised to hear a Trump appointee say that What do you think the premise of the motto Make America Great Again is? The difference between Trumpists and others who see a decline is that the former see the 2016 and 2024 elections as reverses in the decline, whereas other see them as sources or exacerbations.

Anyone who sees Trump as either an aberration or a savior is deeply deluded on the state of America. In my opinion, the US world order’s decay was unmasked in 2008, and it has been accelerating since. The two economic realities between the poor rural America and the rich coastal cities (and even within them there is so much clear wealth disparity) have only gotten worse, and the political and bureaucratic system isn’…

Trump is basically a golden populist then. All these parties will gladly point as t issues, because it give them the spotlight.

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Post by soulofmischief »

moralestapia wrote: post #769
chambers wrote: post #679

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I was also raised by a loving catholic mother, who let me go my way, out of the church. I eventually found my way back in, and feel similar to you as you do now. IMHO, the GP has a right to share his experience here as we do ours. A thread on the election of a pope, with a subthread on the beauty of church, is a fair venue for sharing. There's no need for prejudice, disguised as policing, on either side.

Absolutely, there is nothing wrong with letting others know the other side of the coin. Moreover, I have done that respectfully, I never diminished the other guys' experience or called him fake or anything. He's mocking me in another comment already ... the tolerant ones. This is a thread about the Pope, why wouldn't people be allowed to say good things about the religion it leads? But guess what, some invisible hand…

> He's mocking me in another comment already ... the tolerant ones

No one is mocking you. You appear to have some sort of persecution complex, and are using it to shield you from having to earnestly engage with my replies. You're literally suggesting there is some kind of conspiracy to be unfair against you. I have not downvoted or flagged any of your comments. Perhaps you should consider the wisdom of the crowd and open yourself to criticism.

> I'm honestly tired of all this "I'm catholic and I am involved in the church" being enough to warrant attacks from random strangers.

You didn't have to reply to my comment with an ignorant, invalidating, dismissive and patronizing take. That was your choice, and the consequence is that people might reply to you in order to point out faults in your attitude and message.

Just because you thought you were well-meaning doesn't mean you were. Your sour approach to discourse has made itself apparent in this thread. Many perpetrators of the Crusades also thought they were doing a good deed.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe »

Archelaos wrote: post #588
Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe wrote: post #545

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Neat thanks. Btw how do you know this?! Have you memorized stuff of all the passed popes?

This is the beginning of perhaps the most famous of Leo XIII.'s many encyclicals, entitled "Rerum novarum" from 1891. To my knowledge it is the first of many papal encyclicals on social issues. It thus marks an important point in church history (and beyond that in the history of ideas in general). For further details see the encyclical's Wikipedia entry at https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_Novarum For the text itse…

Thanks a lot!
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