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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by theodric »

aezell wrote: post #568
taylodl wrote: post #518

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I know many American evangelicals who believe Catholics are not true Christians, and as such, when they're talking about Christians they are not including Catholics in that discussion.

I was in an interview once and the prospective employer asked me what church I attend. I replied, "Catholic." He said, "Is that even Christian?" So, yeah, plenty of Americans have a skewed view of Catholicism.

Being asked your religion in a job interview is wild (outside of a few select jobs, like Pope)

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Post by dmix »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #612
dragonwriter wrote: post #503

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> I guess I interpret it as "America has gone into political decline." I'm a bit surprised to hear a Trump appointee say that What do you think the premise of the motto Make America Great Again is? The difference between Trumpists and others who see a decline is that the former see the 2016 and 2024 elections as reverses in the decline, whereas other see them as sources or exacerbations.

Anyone who sees Trump as either an aberration or a savior is deeply deluded on the state of America. In my opinion, the US world order’s decay was unmasked in 2008, and it has been accelerating since. The two economic realities between the poor rural America and the rich coastal cities (and even within them there is so much clear wealth disparity) have only gotten worse, and the political and bureaucratic system isn’…

Well said

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Post by rollinDyno »

pdabbadabba wrote: post #103
nathell wrote: post #57

From [0]: > Rev. Robert Prevost bears responsibility for allowing former Providence Catholic H.S. President and priest Richard McGrath to stay at the high school amidst sex abuse allegations that dated back to the 1990s. > That's according to Eduardo Lopez de Casas, a clergy abuse survivor and national vice president of the Chicago-based Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP). [0]: https://willcountygaze…

Here's a somewhat different description of the situation, which I found useful: "[A] priest convicted of sexual abuse of minors was allowed to stay at an Augustinian priory near an elementary school and continue functions as a priest until later removed, and then laicized in 2012. However, Prevost is said to have never authorized that particular situation, the priest was not an Augustinian, and it took place before t…

It's worth mentioning that defenders of Prevost in Peru are saying that those allegations were manufactured by his political enemies. Prevost was active in the fight against the Sodalitium, a catholic society with ample accusations of brainwashing and sexual abuse. This society was recently supressed by Bergoglio.

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Post by blensor »

qsort wrote: post #27
blensor wrote: post #9

I wonder if there is any other event in recent history that is communicated as quickly to as many people as the fact that a new pope has been elected. I was out on the streets when the church bells started ringing here in Vienna as must have all around the globe where there are catholic churches

Probably not as spiritually fulfilling, but the stock market would be an example of that happening at sub-second latencies, every day, all day.

What I was thinking is that a billion people all around the globe got an involuntary information upload all at roughly the same time.

Being on the street hearing the bells and recognizing what it meant while a huge number of people all around the globe have the same realization at the same time feels somehow incredibly connecting, and not even necessarily at a religious level.

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Post by froh »

GuB-42 wrote: post #628
mvieira38 wrote: post #457

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Americans will say they are Italian because their great grandma ate spaghetti once, but God forbid someone is American because he was born there

GP is right, he is not "completely" American in the sense that he is both American and Peruvian because of his dual citizenship. He also spent most of his life outside of the USA. Which I think is a great thing as the representative of a worldwide religion. Born in the US, an English-speaking country in North America, lived in Peru, a Spanish-speaking country in the South America, then in Italy, an Italian-speaking c…

he is completely US American because he was born and raised there and studied there, maths and philosophy amongst other things.

and in addition he is also Peruvian.

so he's more than American. hyper American if you will. and now he's the head of state of the Vatican, too.

a triple whopper of sorts ;-)

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Post by Starlevel004 »

tptacek wrote: post #316

Prior to Francis, the last pope we had from a religious order (as opposed to a career diocesan) was Gregory XVI in 1831. Now we've had two religious popes in a row --- Francis, a Jesuit, and then Leo, an Augustinian.

> Now we've had two religious popes in a row

Aren't they all religious? That seems like a mandatory part of being a pope.

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

dragonwriter wrote: post #611
mensetmanusman wrote: post #553

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These are the types of things talked about in small groups near your local cathedral by members of groups like Opus Dei everywhere around the world. All are welcome :)

I don't think Opus Dei spends a lot of time discussing Rerum Novarum , honestly.

What do they discuss? There is an Opus Dei church near me and I always wondered what was up

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

PortiaBerries wrote: post #609
ben_w wrote: post #577

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Pope Quartz: https://xkcd.com/2501/ I was raised Catholic and couldn't have even told you there'd been a single Pope Leo, let alone 13 of them before today. The only Pope quote I could even give you is the term "Ex Cathedra".

It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.

For most of history 99% of Catholics could not read, much less own a Bible. The fetishization of theology is not necessary to be a good Catholic

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Post by froh »

tptacek wrote: post #385
dzdt wrote: post #372

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Can you explain this like I'm 5?

You can (sort of) divide Catholic clergy into diocesan priests, who spend their careers managing the clerical hierarchy of a specific region, and religious-order priests, who belong to religious orders within the church --- the Jesuits, Franciscans, Augustinians, Dominicans, etc. The "religious" Clergy are thought to be in some sense less tied up in church politics.

and additionally each order has a "charisma", a specific focus and style, think pythonista vs crustacean vs C vs C++ vs Haskell longer vs lisper.

each order attracts it's own flock.

so now I need to check on Augustines... fun fact: Martin Luther was an Augustine monk.

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Post by zimmund »

macspoofing wrote: post #607
smnrg wrote: post #605

Many Italian newspapers (example: IlPost) and, I suspect, many non-US media, report this as “the second American Pope, the first from the USA.” Which, I think, is fair, as South and Latin are also America. And so is Canada. And so was Francis. But I usually find it a hard concept to convey to my fellow local USsians.

>to my fellow local USsians. I think you illustrated why the concept exists. USA actually has "America" in its name, unlike others - hence 'Americans' and not 'USsians'.

Well, in that case could we call them Statians or Unitians?
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