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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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“ That the spirit of revolutionary change, which has long been disturbing the nations of the world, should have passed beyond the sphere of politics and made its influence felt in the cognate sphere of practical economics is not surprising. The elements of the conflict now raging are unmistakable, in the vast expansion of industrial pursuits and the marvelous discoveries of science; in the changed relations between m…

That definitely rhymes, more than rhymes actually.

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I know many American evangelicals who believe Catholics are not true Christians, and as such, when they're talking about Christians they are not including Catholics in that discussion.

What makes someone an evangelical? Protestant faith?

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Pakistan and Bangladesh are on the Indian subcontinent, do you correct people from the country of India every time they say they are Indian?

As I understand it, the people from Pakistan and Bangladesh mostly prefer the South Asia denomination and don't consider themselves Indians, while South Americans do consider themselves Americans, so it's a different case.

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Great symbol was - every cardinal standing on balconies with/besides him. No media covered / decoded what that gesture signifies.

Is that unusual?

No, its a normal part of the process mentioned briefly (but not explained, perhaps because the symbolism is... really exactly what it seems on the surface) in most of the “what will happen with a new Pope” stories.

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> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

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Since this is a thread about the new pope, note that Catholic doctrine interprets that passage to mean you can only divorce if the original marriage was invalid. The Greek word, porneia, has more literal or abstract interpretations depending on context. Protestants and Orthodox[1] interpret it to mean illicit sex, particularly adultery, but Catholics interpret it to mean something closer to incest, which would imply a marriage was never valid in the first place. Catholic doctrine argues this interpretation is easier to square with the preceding statements by Jesus in Matthew that "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." That is, that marriage is indissoluble by man--i.e. a spouse can't dissolve a marriage just be screwing around. And also squares with Mark, who mentions no exception. OTOH, that's arguably asking too much of the text.

[1] That said, depending on which Orthodox theologian you ask, Orthodoxy doesn't permit remarriage, either. Some Orthodox will tell you that a second marriage isn't a sacramental marriage; that the original marriage is never dissolved. Rather, "remarriage" is a form of "Ekonomia", wherein the community sort of ignores some misbehavior, or withholds judgment, so as to avoid cutting a person off entirely. Pope Francis explicitly mentioned this concept of "ekonomia" when discussing his preference that (civilly) remarried Catholics be permitted the Eucharist. And he arguably had this concept in mind when advocating for the blessing of people in same-sex relationships.

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I am not Catholic and priests should be permitted to marry. The zeitgeist is inaccurate. Sexual abuse and subsequent cover ups were a massive problem that has largely been addressed, but the numbers of offenders are proportionally lower than those in public schools. From wikipedia: "Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft, the author of a 2002 report on sexual offenses in schools, said sexual violence is much…

> I am not Catholic and priests should be permitted to marry

Doesn't seem likely since none of the Churches that existed prior to the Protestant Reformation allow it.

All of the ancient churches, including the Catholic Church, do allow men who are already married to become priests. The rules are more strict for Catholics than the others.

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OK, but English speakers are under no obligation to follow conventions and vocabulary used by Spanish speakers. Similarly, the Poles, French and English all have their own words for Germany that look nothing like "Deutschland". (The Polish word for Germany is Niemcy. The French word is Allemagne.)

Sure, but the op said "most of the world", which is not true, I gave a counter example.

giving a single counter example does not mean "most of the world" is not true here

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I wish him wisdom and good luck to take the task. Hope he continues the great work Francis was doing to help the civilian palestinians facing IDF massacres and starvation in Gaza. Francis called the parish there every day, and even donated the Popemobile to be turned into health clinic for the children of Gaza. See https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-05/the-popemobi...
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