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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by aeneasmackenzie »

GeekyBear wrote: post #166
sepositus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious, do you think he's wrong that it's at odds with what was taught by the apostles? It's obviously unpopular, but I have yet to see a convincing argument (based in the teachings of the Bible) that promotes same-sex marriages. If I were in his position, and part of my duty is to interpret and lead via "the holy scriptures," then I would probably want to be as accurate as possible.

> I have yet to see a convincing argument (based in the teachings of the Bible) that promotes same-sex marriages. Here you are. https://whosoever.org/letter-to-louise/

This document plays at least two shell games, declaring that “homosexuality” as its own concept is recent (within 200 years) but then smoothly omitting this when discussing scripture, instead of analyzing scripture and then inserting the modern concept. No wonder it doesn’t find any condemnation of a concept it excluded from consideration!

It then does a similar trick where the authors of the New Testament are acknowledged to have poor Greek in many cases but then using specific word choice to claim they meant an extremely forced reading, relying on the previous trick a bit too.

There’s even a discussion of how nitpicking word choice is bad practice earlier in the same document!

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by temp0826 »

amalcon wrote: post #347
catlikesshrimp wrote: post #233

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Not in Central America. We call US citizens "Gringos" Unfortunately, this does carry a variable negative weight. Now, Latin Americans living in the US proudly call themselves "Americans" Edit: Albeit long, the correct gentilice for the US is "Estadounidenses" as in "Estados Unidos de América"

"Estadounidense" is also a bit odd, since there are Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos (the formal name for Mexico). I don't think it is likely to confuse very many people, but still odd.

If you say "Mexico" in Mexico, most people will think you're referring to Mexico City.

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Post by arp242 »

Henchman21 wrote: post #393
Boogie_Man wrote: post #75

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There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

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> The current zeitgeist is that Catholic priests are pedophiles. This is a widely held belief because it is so frequently true.

Just not true; the rate isn't really higher than what you see at football clubs, scout clubs, etc. What made it so bad in the catholic church are the cover-ups. Lots can be said about that. It was really bad. But the notion that many (or all) Catholic priets are pedos is complete bollocks.

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Post by hajile »

Henchman21 wrote: post #393
Boogie_Man wrote: post #75

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There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

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The Bible agrees with your musing as it says bishops are to be be married with kids. Peter (who the Catholics claim as the first Pope) was married as the Bible says Jesus healed his mother-in-law.

1 Timothy 3:1-7

[1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

[4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by dathinab »

srameshc wrote: post #351
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #110

I strongly believe the American choice was a strategic decision made by a group of highly intelligent individuals.

Is it possible that this move is to reinstate Catholicism in the United States, given that Evangelicals appear to be gaining influence?

I think Catholicism has much bigger problems in the US then evangelicals gaining tracking.

Like people which by the Wikipedia definition of fascist being fascist using Catholicism as a tool to push their believes which are not at all compatible with the current world view represented by the Church in Rome.

A Pope which is able to say "I denounce ... as unchristian and un-american" which isn't some random person in Rome but someone seen as an American is kinda useful if you want to reduce the reach of such influences.

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Post by Sharlin »

nosianu wrote: post #176
ch4s3 wrote: post #18

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The white smoke means there's a pope thing started in 1914[1], but they've been burning the ballots for a very long time. [1] https://www.history.com/articles/pope-conclave-smoke-color

Annoyingly, when I go to that page, even from Google where I found that URL too, I end up at the German homepage www.history.de (no path, the main page). I cannot go to history.com no matter what. I hate "intelligent" websites as much as I like touchpad microwaves, and that means not at all. Why would anyone assume an enforced(!!!) connection between my geographic location and the language-version of the website?

It's one of the classic falsehoods that programmers (or perhaps more accurately, product managers) believe about localization: that location equals language.

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Post by cycomanic »

Henchman21 wrote: post #393
Boogie_Man wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

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Yes imagine this amount of abuse and cover ups would be exposed to have happened in mosques. I am 100% we'd be seeing a huge outrage politicians shouting for institutions to be prohibited, police raids and plenty of arrests... While för the Catholic Church nobody even questioned that they just "investigate" internally instead of reporting everything to the authorities. Why did none of those higher ups who helped cover up the abuse get arrested as an associate to a crime?

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Post by quesera »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #150
sepositus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious, do you think he's wrong that it's at odds with what was taught by the apostles? It's obviously unpopular, but I have yet to see a convincing argument (based in the teachings of the Bible) that promotes same-sex marriages. If I were in his position, and part of my duty is to interpret and lead via "the holy scriptures," then I would probably want to be as accurate as possible.

It's important to realize that while the pope's main role is to guard revelation from corruption and manipulation, the teachings on same-sex attraction and the gay lifestyle do not require revelation. They rely solely on the natural law. Ethics rooted in unaided reason suffices.

Ah right. So "for those issues on which doctrine is silent, we will use my opinion".

We'll call it "natural law", to suggest that it comes from somewhere other than some random human.

Got it.

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Post by vixen99 »

ok_dad wrote: post #143
echelon wrote: post #130

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To placate or appeal to the current American leadership? What's the desired outcome? European, NATO, or Ukrainian security guarantees?

From what I read, the new pope is much like Francis on human rights and political topics, but a bit more conservative about church doctrine. Perhaps it's to have a counterpoint to Trump in America, to show that not all American-born leaders are trash? Time will tell, I suppose.

Here's an oddity: apparently Noam Chomsky doesn't fully agree with you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmSJnuF7_zg

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Post by jsnider3 »

raddan wrote: post #430
afavour wrote: post #97

> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

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He wasn't a Trump appointee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_George
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