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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Christians are not Catholics, though it's close and recently was true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination says just less than half of Christians in 2024 were Catholic (48.6%), down from 50.1% in 2011.

He no doubt means the largest Christian church (though from a Catholic perspective, there is only the Church and those who are in schism, heretics, etc.).

I think the relationship stays with the orthodox churches is “It’s complicated.”

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Sure but most of the world, when they say America or American, they mean the USA, otherwise they'll say "the Americas" or "North American" or "South American" or refer to a specific country. It's just a reality that a lot of people don't want to face, but you have to be pragmatic in life for the most part.

>Sure but most of the world, when they say America or American, they mean the USA.

Nope. People from the US really need to get out of that bubble.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the New Testament. Christianity has the luxury (compared to some other religions..) of having very few "divinely ordained" rules. The teachings of Jesus supersede the stuff from the Old testament (the one with all not very nice things) however they are rather vague and undefined. So various churches can freely pick/discard almost whatever they want besides the 10 commandments while Muslims can't exactly just thro…

> The teachings of Jesus supersede the stuff from the Old testament (the one with all not very nice things) however they are rather vague and undefined. Except Jesus said that he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, and not one stroke of a letter of the law will pass away. So he didn't change anything about slavery, mistreatment of women, etc.

But none of that ever applied to gentiles. Not before Christ, not after. Jews today do not claim that non-Jews are obliged to, or even ought to, perform any Mitzvot whatsoever -- and that's despite generally acknowledging that there are universal moral laws which bind all "children of Noah".

So if the remaining Jews continue following the Old Covenant, but others choose to rather follow Jesus' 'New and Eternal Covenant', then where would this obligation towards Old Testament law come from?

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Will he be taxed on his foreign Papal salary? Or will he forego the salary , like Francis did?

If he is taxed, he should renounce US citizenship as he's very unlike to move back to the US.

Very unlikely is an understatement. Francis never even visited his home country of Argentina after being elected as Pope.

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The prevailing wisdom has been proven wrong on this occasion. He is very much a continuation of Francis's school of thought in spite of the "fat Pope thin Pope" wisdom, and he is an American who has been elected Pope, which was almost unthinkable because of America's economic, political, and mass media domination of the western world. Very unexpected

> The prevailing wisdom I'm so sick of prevailing wisdom with people just making shit up just to fill time on 24/7 news coverage and people can have their talking head shows with diverse "views".

This is basically 99% of it, based on two or three datapoints until suddenly it doesn't matter anymore.

See: "Can't select an American pope until America is not powerful anymore."

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post #162

How appropriately disconnected from the church to elect an American.

How so? The U.S. is the third-largest national Catholic population in the world, and it's by far the single largest national contributor to the Church’s global finances. Plus, anything that can bend the arc of U.S. history toward the Catholic missions of social justice and human rights is going to matter more in the next four years than it ever has.

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I am sure a certain somebody is going to claim credit for bringing the papacy home to America to make it great.

It's only a matter of time before that same person gets called out by the new pope and responds by calling him a loser. If we're lucky, that will be the catalyst that finally erodes any remaining support he has.
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