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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by jasonjayr »

sepositus wrote: post #79
breadwinner wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> my duty is to interpret and lead via "the holy scriptures" Said scriptures also says that a woman can be sold to her rapist after he violates her. I think a more modern interpretation would not be a bad idea.

What do you mean? There are plenty of "modern" interpretations. New scholarly commentaries come out almost every year. My point is that, among these, the prevailing assumption continues to be one that doesn't support same-sex marriages in the church. What is lacking, from my perspective, are scholarly interpretations that swing the discussion the other way. The best I've seen simply just exclude the problematic scrip…

I think the crux of the problem is that with all the statements the Bible makes, at a plain reading of the text, who are we, as mere humans to decide which parts should be strictly adhered to, or which parts should not, or which parts mean something completely different from the plain reading? As far as I can tell there is no consistent application of logic and understanding what parts matter and which parts do not. And depending on who you talk to, those parts change.

I understand that as part of the faith, it is not our place to know the reason God has chosen. However, I believe that there are very serious concerns about the intentions of the people 'qualified' to interpret the texts. Relying on "just trust us" gets us into big trouble, fast.

As the saying goes, the devil may quote scripture too.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by andrepd »

comeonbro wrote: post #66

As a record of how likely people considered this outcome: Prevost was hovering around 1% on Polymarket, and was <0.5% between white smoke and announcement.

Among the most unlikely papabile I would have preferred someone like Tolentino.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by eesmith »

timeon wrote: post #83
throwanem wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in the Latin Orthodox division.

Most Christians are Catholics.

Most Christians are not Catholics, though it's close and recently was true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination says just less than half of Christians in 2024 were Catholic (48.6%), down from 50.1% in 2011.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by TheAmazingRace »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #87
TZubiri wrote: post #59

Congrats to the Americans on winning the World Christian Championship!

Finally, a Pope who'll stand up for the 2nd amendment!

I know you probably were being sarcastic but this would amuse me greatly if true.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by sepositus »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #93
sepositus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious, do you think he's wrong that it's at odds with what was taught by the apostles? It's obviously unpopular, but I have yet to see a convincing argument (based in the teachings of the Bible) that promotes same-sex marriages. If I were in his position, and part of my duty is to interpret and lead via "the holy scriptures," then I would probably want to be as accurate as possible.

Christians can't agree on pretty much anything in the Bible, which is why there are thousands of different sects, and a Wikipedia entry for "schisms in Christianity" that is dozens of entries long.

I don't think that's a fair statement. For example, a large majority of denominations (I'd say >80%) agree on something like the Apostle's Creed [1]. But yes, for less core doctrines, there are sometimes dozens of flavors.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by throw310822 »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #36

The prevailing wisdom has been proven wrong on this occasion. He is very much a continuation of Francis's school of thought in spite of the "fat Pope thin Pope" wisdom, and he is an American who has been elected Pope, which was almost unthinkable because of America's economic, political, and mass media domination of the western world. Very unexpected

If he's on the same positions as Pope Francis but he's American, then this is a great move by the Catholic Church. Many Americans will naturally root for "their" Pope, and this will lead them away from the positions of Trump and the Evangelicals.
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