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Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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Tivo has Lifetime subscriptions, where the lifetime is of the hardware but they transfer if you sell the hardware. They aren't always selling them as an option, but they always honor them, and have been for 10+ years.

I had one of the original Tivos in the UK, and I bought a lifetime subscription. They ended this service in 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiVo#United_Kingdom They no longer honour this deal in UK (which sucks, because I loved it).

Yeah, not much you can do about the service ending.

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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Unless we're talking about American Airlines' Lifetime Pass.

Except that those are being cancelled as well - http://articles.latimes.com/print/2012/may/05/business/la-fi...

For abuse, which seems somewhat reasonable. And for the other people, they offered their money back, which is probably the best way to solve this kind of thing.

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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> "...and noticed that you are one of the few customers that are still on our early products..." One of the few? Cool. It's not costing you that much to keep them on their lifetime plan. Surely its not worth the negative PR? Not sure what Joyent is thinking.

They try to make it seem like we are a couple of dozen duffers who never really use the service anyway. What a gimmick.

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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I really like what Joyent is doing with illumos, dtrace, and other similar projects. That said... They basically have let their "legacy" customers languish for a while, and after a pretty bad migration process a year or two ago, it was obvious that they really wanted to discard these old accounts - those boxes are running a version of opensolaris that's over 4 years old (snv_67). Most of us paid quite a bit for our "…

My account's server runs snv_121, so more like 3 years old, but still ancient. There was an attempt to upgrade us in December/January which was partially completed and finally "put on hold indefinitely". http://wiki.joyent.com/display/shared/Shared+Hosting+Mainten...

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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It never ceases to amaze me how many people "fall" for this "lifetime" pricing model. In fact I said the exact same thing three months ago [1]. The fact that the service provider is not getting any future revenue from you, even if they've fairly discounted your lifetime value, gives them the incentive to get rid of you. Additionally it gives the wrong incentives to users to "abuse" their "unlimited" service. You saw…

Reposting a dead reply from otneusnocuh because it took the exact words out of my mouth:

> "As a customer, stop falling for this charade."

No, theres is no reason not to take them at their word.

"lifetime" and "unlimited" need to be protected advertising words. There is no reason whatsoever to tolerate straight up lies in marketing because they are common lies.

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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This actually seems fairly typical for most free or lifetime plans for things. Are there counterexamples of site/services that offered lifetime access that are still doing so 5 years later?

I bought a lifetime gym membership long ago. The gym is (amazingly) still in business and still serves me.

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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They should, but probably wont. If you sell a service, but decide not to provide it you should refund the money. Judging from the comments most of HN assumes if you "attempt" to provide the service you can keep the money. Yes, I get it's a losing proposition for Joyent to live up to their obligations. So what? You either live up to them, or refund the money, it's really that simple.

Yeah, the comments seem to be filled with people saying that it's not practical to provide "lifetime", and people buying it should have known they didn't mean it anyway. I look at this the same way I look at "unlimited" internet service. Unlike a lot of the tech crowd, I have no problem whatsoever with metered bandwidth. My only quibble is that if you advertise "unlimited" you had better actually provide unlimited. I…

Yeah, the comments seem to be filled with people saying that it's not practical to provide "lifetime", and people buying it should have known they didn't mean it anyway.

And that fascinates me. There's a clear information asymmetry here, and therefore a clear power differential. But so many people are instantly willing to blame the weaker party for being trusting, rather than blaming the stronger party for abusing their customers.

Of course, they're only doing that after it blows up. None of them are saying, "Stop using Hacker News! There's no revenue model, so it will all end in tears! Quit now!"

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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post #14

Great, one company less to worry about next time I'm shopping for hosting.

Seriously. We are looking at hosting right now and are considering Rackspace and Joyent. In fact, I am one of the lifetime hosting people screwed over by this move, but this makes it an easy call. No way we are trusting Joyent with anything.

Rackspace are amazing. The only gripe I have (which isn't minor, I might add) is that you can only buy machines in tiers. If you want a machine with high network throughput (say, like a proxy), you need to purchase lots of cpu, ram and disk space that you have no need for.

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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Matt, I was a very early slicehost customer, and just wanted to say thanks for the years of great service and straightforward business. I really loved what you did and hope you're continuing to do well. Cheers!

My pleasure, thank you for believing in us.

+1. Slicehost was my first VPS provider. Loved you guys.

Re: Joyent ending "lifetime" hosting accounts

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It appears that lifetime means lifetime of the product rather than lifetime of the customer. Is anyone really that surprised?

According to michaelhoffman, the FAQ said this: "Q: How long is it good for? A: As long as we exist." Seems pretty clear cut to me. (Not sure this is accurate, though. I did find it repeated in a forum discussing Joyent in 2006.)

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