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Sneakers (1992) – 4K makeover sourced from the original camera negative

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dredmorbius wrote: post #279
dylan604 wrote: post #245

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for what purpose? waiting for the copyright to expire, and then hope to cash in on it in the public domain? if the content is unreleased, there's other complications. you'd then be using the likeness of any talent involved whether that's their voice performance for animated content or for live action their full person. you'll be susceptible to those issues for releasing it.

Internet Archive regularly puts out calls for such works, and maintains several of those archives. As a registered library, they can do this, and even make (at least some) works publicly available.

Why would the IA put out calls for unreleased, possibly unfinished work, that comes from a bankrupted studio? That seems like a very strange request. Do you have a link showing them asking for that? Also, what does being registered library have to do with being able to publish unreleased works that were never made available? I really think we're stretching credibility here

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Post by cestith »

myself248 wrote: post #146
nullify88 wrote: post #73

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A great example of this is Hard Boiled 1992, the Hospital Shootout. I think audiences are beginning to appreciate continuous scenes and are becoming more frequent in western films. The most recent one I can think of is John Wick 4, when it goes top down. Some of the recent Michael Bay movies are so aggressive when it comes to cuts, the average shot length must be 2 or 3 seconds.

I once sat in on a TV production class, early in the schoolyear before my schedule got sorted out and it turned out I couldn't take it. So I was in it for one day. But the teacher had the incoming students do a very simple exercise: He turned on some broadcast TV, and told us all to bang our fists on our desks every time there was a scene cut. Then he changed the channel a few times. Soap opera. Newscast. PBS. Cartoo…

So the class wasn’t to be for you, but the instructor taught you a lasting lesson in one day. Damn, I wish every class session I’ve ever had was that impactful.

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Re: Sneakers (1992) – 4K makeover sourced from the original camera negative

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Post by dredmorbius »

dylan604 wrote: post #291
dredmorbius wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet Archive regularly puts out calls for such works, and maintains several of those archives. As a registered library, they can do this, and even make (at least some) works publicly available.

Why would the IA put out calls for unreleased, possibly unfinished work, that comes from a bankrupted studio? That seems like a very strange request. Do you have a link showing them asking for that? Also, what does being registered library have to do with being able to publish unreleased works that were never made available? I really think we're stretching credibility here

Unfinished works are still archivable, FWIW. US copyright law is in effect for any work of original authorship, for 95 years from publication, or 120 years from creation (whichever expires first) or author's life + 70 years: https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html>. After such time (and far sooner for works prior to post hoc copyright extensions) all works enter the public domain.

That said, yes, generally I'm more familiar with IA archiving published or broadcast works. Several of those collections are listed here: https://archive.org/details/tv>.

Brewster Kahle addresses unpublished works in this essay, in part:

The traditional definition of a library is that it is made up of published materials, while an archive is made up of unpublished materials. Archives play an important function that must be maintained — we give frightfully little attention to collections of unpublished works in the digital age.* Think of all the drafts of books that have disappeared once we started to write with word processors and kept the files on fragile computer floppies and disks. Think of all the videotapes of lectures that are thrown out or were never recorded in the first place.*

https://blog.archive.org/2020/10/07/on-bookstores-libraries-...>

(Emphasis added.)

That said, I haven't found any specific calls for donations of unpublished works, though my search was quite cursory.

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firefax wrote: post #124
peeters wrote: post #80

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> Sadly, the movie really shows it's age when the "cultural attaché" starts lecturing Robert Redford's character that "our countries are friends now". It's hard to suspend disbelief watching it nowadays But it's set in the past, when relations between the countries were much friendlier. Do you have trouble suspending disbelief during fictional movies set in WWII, because the U.S. and Germany are now allies?

>But it's set in the past, when relations between the countries were much friendlier. Do you have trouble suspending disbelief during fictional movies set in WWII, because the U.S. and Germany are now allies? Were they?

Ostensibly they were much friendlier than before, sometimes even collaborating on a project here or there. I think if you listen carefully you can hear a little bit of humor in Greg saying it.

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BLKNSLVR wrote: post #145
throw7 wrote: post #133

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Do you love the movie Hackers? I submit there are two camps of moviegoing nerds: those who love Sneakers and those who love Hackers. I will admit though, many many years later I softened to the sheer goofness of Hackers (which offput me much initially).

I love both, for similar but different reasons. Hackers captures the naive idea of the scene really quite well. It's goofiness allows the naivety to remain, past the overwrought characters and Hollywood's downright misunderstanding. It feels like it's accidentally great. But then again, maybe it just tickles to the surface the sense of wonder I had way back then.

It helps to know that the swirly equations on the screen were meant to be the director’s interpretation of the characters’ internal mental model of what they were seeing and not some magical UI trick on the computers of the time. The wall-attached phones near the end didn’t suddenly become spinning glass phonebooths either, but you’ll seldom hear the movie bashed for the lack of realism there.

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Post by aaronbaugher »

myself248 wrote: post #160
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #145

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I love both, for similar but different reasons. Hackers captures the naive idea of the scene really quite well. It's goofiness allows the naivety to remain, past the overwrought characters and Hollywood's downright misunderstanding. It feels like it's accidentally great. But then again, maybe it just tickles to the surface the sense of wonder I had way back then.

Accidentally great, yeah. If I allow myself to believe that the producers of Hackers knew they were making a spoof of Hollywood hackers in general, I can sit back and enjoy it as a masterpiece. But at the time, that was not at all clear. And I'm still not actually convinced. It certainly wasn't marketed as a comedy; it seemed to be drinking the same drama-aid as The Net and other breathless wankery at the time. In wh…

I saw it when it came out, and the love for it was completely unironic. Yeah, "The Plague" and the skateboards and that were silly, but somehow we still bought it. Not that we thought it was accurate, of course, but that it was heightened reality, maybe.

I still say things like "We're in" every time I login to a system with people looking over my shoulder.

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Post by dylan604 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #294
dylan604 wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the IA put out calls for unreleased, possibly unfinished work, that comes from a bankrupted studio? That seems like a very strange request. Do you have a link showing them asking for that? Also, what does being registered library have to do with being able to publish unreleased works that were never made available? I really think we're stretching credibility here

Unfinished works are still archivable, FWIW. US copyright law is in effect for any work of original authorship, for 95 years from publication, or 120 years from creation (whichever expires first) or author's life + 70 years: https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html >. After such time (and far sooner for works prior to post hoc copyright extensions) all works enter the public domain. That said, yes, genera…

> Think of all the videotapes of lectures that are thrown out or were never recorded in the first place.

This is ridiculous "never recorded in the first place". I really do not understand where people think that everything ever said anywhere any time must be recorded. That's some Black Mirror type logic.

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Post by gorlilla »

RajT88 wrote: post #217
dylan604 wrote: post #138

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>I also can’t imagine the film masters were trashed, or that the show was composited to video tape. So many shows very much were composited to analog video tape. I personally worked on edit sessions where multiple film-to-tape transfers were composited to 1" then BetacamSP then digital formats like DigiBeta and everything that followed. I get it is hard to grok for eople without direct experience only ever knowing di…

For sure, Matt Groening and co. had no idea how much of a phenomenon The Simpsons was going to be early on.

Ironically, The Simpsons has predicted pretty much everything else...
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