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Why not use EMDR instead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_movement_desensitization_a...
I was dealing with the latter.
I don’t think there is clinical level evidence for it, but there’s this thing called Trauma Releasing Exercise which apparently some people swear by. The idea is that you do extremely taxing, high neuromuscular-recruitment static holds etc - til the point of total muscle control loss that turns into widespread trembling. I would speculate that if a big part of feeling bad is getting stuck in a state where tension bec…
On the TRE subreddit [0], people report being able to tremor at will once they have enough experience with the technique.
Not trying to be pedantic, just clarifying that it is very accessible! I've personally been experimenting with it and find it to be helpful.
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> I don’t think there is clinical level evidence for it Even if it's 100% placebo, if it's not harmful, and it works for a person, then it works. But, determining if it's not harmful should be a priority. I found this person saying it made their life worse, for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/CPTSD_NSCommunity/comments/ungaew/t...
I think you are correct. The strangest things I have learned about personality disorder is that diagnosis applies for as long as the disordered behavior exists. If the disordered person's behavior adapts to "social norms" the diagnosis no longer applies.
The reason for that is that the "disorder" part of it is a requirement that it get in the way of normal living. You can have anxiety but if you take a deep breath and you can overcome it, it's not a disorder. If that doesn't help or even if you just haven't tried it, it's a disorder.
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Yeah I said it was dhit when my ex-wife said she was going to do it, but it definitely did something. And I am well aware of the placebo effect. But just because something is not provable or falsifiable under current scientific knowledge, it does not mean it is neccesarily quackery, there's a Venn diagram there where some things may be effective. Automatically discarding something that even occasionally gets results,…
Sadly it made my ex-wife worse off than before - she went from a functioning anxious person to being completely overwhelmed by anxiety all the time.
I don’t think there is clinical level evidence for it, but there’s this thing called Trauma Releasing Exercise which apparently some people swear by. The idea is that you do extremely taxing, high neuromuscular-recruitment static holds etc - til the point of total muscle control loss that turns into widespread trembling. I would speculate that if a big part of feeling bad is getting stuck in a state where tension bec…
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you're conflating "not having an overwhelming negative reaction to it" with "never feel anything about it" you can know something is bad and act accordingly without having a disordered and painful relationship with it
But you are supposed to have a painful relationship with it. You are never ever supposed to be at peace with it. It's who you become as the holder of that pain that provides any foundation. In a sense, "zapping it" limits your potential. A surrogate mother robs the mother of child-bearing (in all normal cases like Kim Kardashian, not for cases where the original mother cannot physically give birth). That's just a fac…
I think these treatments are better understood as methods to encourage one's mind and body to reprocess some experience so that it is "merely" a terrible thing that happened so they can live a stabler, more balanced, more normal life.
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I think you are correct. The strangest things I have learned about personality disorder is that diagnosis applies for as long as the disordered behavior exists. If the disordered person's behavior adapts to "social norms" the diagnosis no longer applies.
You're somewhat implying this but I'm not sure if you know it exactly but others might find it informative... The reason for that is that the "disorder" part of it is a requirement that it get in the way of normal living. You can have anxiety but if you take a deep breath and you can overcome it, it's not a disorder. If that doesn't help or even if you just haven't tried it, it's a disorder.
I guess the depth of the relationship might also ramp the disorder.
Anyone done VNS at home?
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But you are supposed to have a painful relationship with it. You are never ever supposed to be at peace with it. It's who you become as the holder of that pain that provides any foundation. In a sense, "zapping it" limits your potential. A surrogate mother robs the mother of child-bearing (in all normal cases like Kim Kardashian, not for cases where the original mother cannot physically give birth). That's just a fac…
Try telling all this to someone who is effectively emotionally/physically disabled because their mind and body either enter a rollercoaster or just shutdown in response to anything vaguely reminiscent of something they experienced. I think these treatments are better understood as methods to encourage one's mind and body to reprocess some experience so that it is "merely" a terrible thing that happened so they can li…
It kind of reminds me of Eternal Sunshine of Spotless Mind. You cannot just erase something. Drugs effectively erase the bad feelings, but they don't last. Okay, so such a treatment being discussed is, I suppose, an everlasting solution. Why would I be against this? Because you cease being you in your entirety (which includes your trauma).
It's not an easy sell by any measure, especially for those who just go "well fuck that, I can erase this with some cocaine right now". Erasing it is a solution, for sure, but it's not a free solution. Something is lost in the process (you). Understanding that, stay with me here, that it's beautiful is part of it, that you have a beautiful part of you forever. It's completely didactic, you have to teach the person that they went through something and are PRETTIER in their surviving of it. Then it stops being traumatic.
If we zap them, we take away the pretty. If I zap you, and then say lets talk about it, and you say "well I don't feel any which way about it anymore", then it's lost. It's gone. So something is lost in the process. So yeah, this is exactly what is told to the most beaten down people in life.
I wouldn't zap the mustard seed.
Anyone done VNS at home?
Yea, I have. I ordered one from vagus.net in February 2023. Over 6 months, it forcibly kicked me off a 20 year SSRI prescription. I've been using it now for about 2 years, weekly if not daily, and although I still regularly feel depressed about the world, I also feel my other feelings (which were blunted on those SSRIs). I no longer live in a state of fight/flight, though I'm quick to walk away when approached by str…