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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by throwaway642012 »

nashashmi wrote: post #512
throwaway642012 wrote: post #451

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India, where minorities become Bollywood superstars, beloved musicians, richest men in Asia, and even presidents, has been notoriously hostile to minorities? I don’t think any other country in Asia has a track record like India when it comes to minorities. Let’s not get rhetoric and false propaganda into our way of critical thinking. India has flaws but it is steadily proving to be a responsible power in that geograp…

Yes, The same India where minority movie stars were rallied against from being featured in movies. https://time.com/6250414/bollywood-hindu-supremacists/

I fail to see how this corroborates your claim of India being “notoriously hostile to minorities”.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ivell wrote: post #524
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #271

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> By this logic the aggressors will always win because the other side should always concede territory for peace Nope. It’s just being realistic about the priorities at play. And there isn’t a clear aggressor in this conflict, it is as old as both states. (Also, countries have bought and sold territories for ages. That doesn’t invite aggression or strike me as wrong.) > if Kashmir is ceded to Pakistan, there is no rea…

>They wouldn’t. New Delhi would have to get something that is worth more than that territory in return. What would that be? Pakistan and India had an agreement to peacefully resolve issues already in 1972 Simla agreement. But they continue to send terrorists to murder indian civilians on indian soil. They never followed the agreement. They invaded twice after that agreement. Anything that India gets out of Pakistan c…

> Anything that India gets out of Pakistan cannot be trusted

Then the only security solution for India is invading and replacing Pakistan’s government. Anything less is needlessly drawing out the violence out of caution and cowardice. The fact that this is obviously overkill belies that there is room for diplomacy.

Also! Not how diplomacy works! A fundamental fact about international relations is it’s anarchic. If your model of international relations requires trust for diplomacy, you’ve fundamentally missed how geopolitics works.

> It will continue to provoke and attack India as long as their military rules the nation

Look at the history of France and Germany negotiating territory exchanges, including under duress. Or the U.S. and Britain while the two hated each other. Et cetera.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by whatsupdog »

When George Bush attacked Iraq, 3 reasons were given: 1. Dictatorship - no democracy. 2. Terrorist training camps (including Al Qaeda). 3. Weapons of mass destruction.

All 3 were true for Pakistan at that time. Parvez Musharraf was a dictator. Whole world knew about the terrorist training camps in Pakistan, and Osama was finally found there. And they had demonstrated their weapons of mass destruction.

So why Iraq and not Pakistan? USA instead started giving Pakistan 5 billion a year and 75 F16s. Shame on USA.

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Post by seatac76 »

mrtksn wrote: post #194
kumarvvr wrote: post #155

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> every one gets what they want India wants Pakistan to end cross-border terrorism. Everyone did not get what they want.

Very recently, there was a terrorist attack in Pakistan too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Jaffar_Express_hijackin... The attackers are allegedly backed by India.(India denies this, just like Pakistan deny involvement with the attacks in India). So probably these bombings won’t solve anything as the issues appear to be a much more complicated. Therefore it is possible that everyone got what they need from thes…

This is attempt to draw a false equivalence between two events which does not stand scrutiny. Islamic terrorists are a keystone pillar of Pakistani society, they walk openly and are supported by the state. Plenty of literature around how Pak Army has adopted the proxy war against India.

Unlikely India is involved that much in West Pakistan given the geographical realities.

I agree these bombings won't solve anything though. Essentially just cannon fodder targeted, will be replaced quickly.

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Post by throwaway642012 »

arp242 wrote: post #424
ngc248 wrote: post #416

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Just because you harp over the same thing again and again about "India has been notoriously hostile to its minorities" does not make it true. Infact, the minorities in India have been notoriously hostile to the nation and care more about their ummah.

Haven't there also been conflicts with the Sikhs for decades? I don't think you can completely blame this on just the Muslims.

> Conflict with Sikhs for decades

HN is seriously ignorant about India. There has been no such insurgency since early 90s.

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Post by jncfhnb »

karaterobot wrote: post #559
krisoft wrote: post #465

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> Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war They have nukes. They don't need to be rich to do massive damage. Sure doing so would have terrible consequences, but cooler heads sometimes don't prevail. Or only prevail after much suffering and pain.

There aren't a lot of examples of a country being unwilling or unable to fight in a full-scale war, and instead launching nukes at their next door neighbor. I don't think this is part of the playbook, or based on evidence, I think it's coming from anxiety.

There aren’t a lot of examples of nuclear states being attacked by a stronger military power

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Post by bigyabai »

seatac76 wrote: post #554

Things most likely will not escalate. These terrorist attacks are always planned by Pak Army with the next steps in mind. Pak Army needs a war to re assert it's dominance. It is under a lot of pressure domestically due to what they did to democratic opposition, so precipitating war with India would provide a chance to consolidate the base. The choice of explicitly targeting people by religion was done to ensure an In…

I'd just like to see the evidence that India claims justified their attack. Between this and the fallout of the Canadian Sikh assassination, it's really starting to feel like Modi's government doesn't care about having a believable narrative at all.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by nashashmi »

throwaway642012 wrote: post #561
nashashmi wrote: post #512

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Yes, The same India where minority movie stars were rallied against from being featured in movies. https://time.com/6250414/bollywood-hindu-supremacists/

I fail to see how this corroborates your claim of India being “notoriously hostile to minorities”.

Just countering the claim that Bollywood stars are the richest and don't face hostility being a minority
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