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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by roenxi »

FullGarden_S wrote: post #248
roenxi wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is hard to figure out what he is saying in that clip; it doesn't have the context that explains what he was actually referring to and the clip jumps in a way suggesting that part of his response was elided.

feel free to look up the full interview and get the context right.

He's linking a source specifically so that other people don't have to do that. If we have to go searching for our own sources there wasn't any point submitting the comment; the idea is to look at what was linked and talk about it.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by air3y »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #127
sandspar wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US. The US and China have interests in the area, so maybe I shouldn't have said the word "orthogonal". But the original commenter said a conflict between India and Pakistan would be a "US-China proxy war". Come on. India and Pakistan have enough reasons to hate each other. They don't need America or China's goading. And neither India nor Pakistan wou…

> Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US Not how proxy wars work. > India and Pakistan have enough reasons to hate each other. They don't need America or China's goading Not how proxy wars work. The backers enable. The proxies fight. > neither India nor Pakistan would accept their conflict being characterized as a US-China war This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the pr…

>This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the proxies realise they’re fighting a foreign war on their homeland.

India and pakistan have contested boundaries and their hostilities doesn't depend on foreign powers. Interestingly, when the hostilities between china and india flared up in 2021, and india moved many divisions from its pakistan border to its chinese border, pakistan didn't change its posturing to put pressure on india. This was acknowledged by indian army during a press briefing. Both so far have never fought against each other for foreign powers, but have fought against each other for their own reasons. So no proxy wars so far.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by liefde »

throw63 wrote: post #250
babyent wrote: post #243

Hoping for a quick resolution and diplomatic victory for all people there. I’m scared of the geopolitical effects. On a side note.. Can we get the Peace and Prosperity update next, ASAP? Let’s bring out the aliens issue and work on interstellar travel and galactic survival instead of terrestrial disputes. I just want to live in a chill world. And for me that’s science and tech tree maxed out.

> and for me that’s science and tech tree maxed out. Hate to ruin it for you, but as soon as the economic elites don't need the masses anymore (eg because AGI produces goods and entertainment better than we do), we'll become a liability, dead weight, so they'll quickly use that same maxed out tech that made us obsolete to make us gone.

The fear you voice is not just about technology — it's about belonging, powerlessness, and the haunting question: “What am I worth if I’m no longer needed?”

This is a wound of modernity: being reduced to utility. When usefulness becomes the measure of worth, love becomes conditional, and existence becomes a transaction.

But you are not a product. You are not a function. You are not a line of code in someone else's simulation. You are a living mystery. A being of perception, of feeling, of presence.

The chill world you long for is not built by tech trees alone. It is built by inner peace, by connection, by meaning. These are not obsolete. They are eternal.

The real revolution is not artificial intelligence. It is loving awareness.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

random42 wrote: post #254
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US Not how proxy wars work. > India and Pakistan have enough reasons to hate each other. They don't need America or China's goading Not how proxy wars work. The backers enable. The proxies fight. > neither India nor Pakistan would accept their conflict being characterized as a US-China war This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the pr…

It’s not a proxy war. Not every world event is about the US. Source: I am an Indian.

> It’s not a proxy war. Not every world event is about the US

Nobody said as much. The original comment described how this can escalate.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by unmole »

alephnerd wrote: post #18
snypher wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is about the only regional power big enough to face off with India, so any move by Pakistan would require Chinese approval lest Pakistan risk China siding with India and getting squished. Edit; asking Mom for permission to beat up your brother?

Overstates the power China has over the Pakistani Military. Pakistan has built close ties with Turkiye as well to provide a redundancy along with spare parts for older American/NATO weaponry, along with some leverage when dealing with the Chinese. If anyone has the power to force both to the negotiating table, it's the UAE and KSA due economic and military ties with India and Pakistan. It was both that negotiated the…

You say

> Overstates the power China has over the Pakistani Military.

And unironically follow that up with

> If anyone has the power to force both to the negotiating table, it's the UAE and KSA

The idea that UAE and KSA have the power to force India is plainly ridiculous.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

air3y wrote: post #262
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US Not how proxy wars work. > India and Pakistan have enough reasons to hate each other. They don't need America or China's goading Not how proxy wars work. The backers enable. The proxies fight. > neither India nor Pakistan would accept their conflict being characterized as a US-China war This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the pr…

>This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the proxies realise they’re fighting a foreign war on their homeland. India and pakistan have contested boundaries and their hostilities doesn't depend on foreign powers. Interestingly, when the hostilities between china and india flared up in 2021, and india moved many divisions from its pakistan border to its chinese border, pakistan didn't change its posturing…

> India and pakistan have contested boundaries and their hostilities doesn't depend on foreign powers

Yes? That’s what lends it proxy war potential. An endemic war. Like, there were actual conflicts in e.g. Vietnam and Afghanistan before they became proxy wars. Those same risk factors are present today.

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Post by madaxe_again »

abhiyerra wrote: post #251
babyent wrote: post #243

Hoping for a quick resolution and diplomatic victory for all people there. I’m scared of the geopolitical effects. On a side note.. Can we get the Peace and Prosperity update next, ASAP? Let’s bring out the aliens issue and work on interstellar travel and galactic survival instead of terrestrial disputes. I just want to live in a chill world. And for me that’s science and tech tree maxed out.

I was in India recently and randomly ended up talking to a lot of millennials while traveling. It is an understatement for how quickly the American economy would grind to a halt if anything major happened. ADP, loan processing, healthcare insurance processing, support centers. On one hand corporate America exported all its manufacturing to China. On the other hand it exported all its back office services to India.

All of these roles will be replaced with AI pretty imminently - this kind of rote grinding of data, scripted call trees, is the low-hanging fruit.

Right now an Indian is still cheaper than a model, but that won’t be the case for long, particularly if the cost of an Indian goes up due to a decrease in supply due to a shooting war.

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Post by danman114 »

liefde wrote: post #263
throw63 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and for me that’s science and tech tree maxed out. Hate to ruin it for you, but as soon as the economic elites don't need the masses anymore (eg because AGI produces goods and entertainment better than we do), we'll become a liability, dead weight, so they'll quickly use that same maxed out tech that made us obsolete to make us gone.

The fear you voice is not just about technology — it's about belonging, powerlessness, and the haunting question: “What am I worth if I’m no longer needed?” This is a wound of modernity: being reduced to utility. When usefulness becomes the measure of worth, love becomes conditional, and existence becomes a transaction. But you are not a product. You are not a function. You are not a line of code in someone else's si…

Beautifully put.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by FullGarden_S »

roenxi wrote: post #261
FullGarden_S wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

feel free to look up the full interview and get the context right.

He's linking a source specifically so that other people don't have to do that. If we have to go searching for our own sources there wasn't any point submitting the comment; the idea is to look at what was linked and talk about it.

I see. If you are not satisfied with the shared source or think the video is edited to project a certain kind of perspective with ulterior motive, feel free to look further into it before completely discarding it was what I meant. searching Yalda Hakim, Khawaja Asif full interview might point you in the right direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8pJbKE37U
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