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Sneakers (1992) – 4K makeover sourced from the original camera negative

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Re: Sneakers (1992) – 4K makeover sourced from the original camera negative

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Post by voxadam »

alias_neo wrote: post #58
hudo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix is "4K Ultra HD: Up to 7 GB per hour". Blu ray is 25GB per side, so max 50GB for 2 layers. Typical movies are 35-50GB. So, BR, and think even DVD still looks much better than any streaming service!

> Blu ray is 25GB per side, so max 50GB for 2 layers Are pressed Blu-Rays limited compared to writeable ones? I have 100GB BDXL blanks (single-sided) I use as one of the archives for my family photos/videos. Couldn't a film BluRay also be 100GB on a single side?

Plenty of movies have been released on BD100.

Very out of date list: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=294596

On a site that I am a member of there are nearly 1300 BD100 rips available.

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Post by sgt »

voxadam wrote: post #36
sgt wrote: post #25

Anyone noticed that streaming services start to compromise on quality? With Netflix it's been like that for a while. Apple TV+ seems to be the best. I really want to get into Blu-ray now, looking for a decent player.

Life is great on the high seas. I've spent nearly 16 years "Passing the Popcorn" and couldn't be happier.

How is the life on the private tracking seas? I mean, I'm asking for a friend.

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Post by xienze »

dmos62 wrote: post #48
voxadam wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life is great on the high seas. I've spent nearly 16 years "Passing the Popcorn" and couldn't be happier.

Question: what's the streaming budget for the big platforms? Can they offer 50-100 mbps? For example, a 70 gb video for a 2.5 hour movie would need 67 mbps to stream. Having access to a rip like that for a popular movie (meaning new or classic) is normal "on the high seas" and it has a detectable difference on my budget-tier setup compared to a ~20 gb rip. I'm wondering if streaming platforms can afford to offer some…

Sure, they could. But given that the average consumer really doesn’t care that much about picture quality (DVD _still_ outsells Blu-ray for example), why would they bother? Increased storage and bandwidth costs, for what exactly? To cater to the small group of consumers that have good enough hardware (and eyes) to distinguish/care about 20Mb versus 100Mb? Those people are probably buying physical media anyway.

Re: Sneakers (1992) – 4K makeover sourced from the original camera negative

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Post by b112 »

stuaxo wrote: post #32

"The dialog is clear, sharp, stable, and easy to follow." if we didn't already know it was an older film this would be the thing that nailed it.

That, and its cousin the shaky cam.

"Let's make things difficult to see and hear. That makes for better cinema!"

Jackie Chan once discussed action scenes in US movies versus his movies. Western films: cut before the punch lands, maybe cut a few more times. Hong Kong moves: just show the action in one scene.

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Post by dmos62 »

xienze wrote: post #63
dmos62 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question: what's the streaming budget for the big platforms? Can they offer 50-100 mbps? For example, a 70 gb video for a 2.5 hour movie would need 67 mbps to stream. Having access to a rip like that for a popular movie (meaning new or classic) is normal "on the high seas" and it has a detectable difference on my budget-tier setup compared to a ~20 gb rip. I'm wondering if streaming platforms can afford to offer some…

Sure, they could. But given that the average consumer really doesn’t care that much about picture quality (DVD _still_ outsells Blu-ray for example), why would they bother? Increased storage and bandwidth costs, for what exactly? To cater to the small group of consumers that have good enough hardware (and eyes) to distinguish/care about 20Mb versus 100Mb? Those people are probably buying physical media anyway.

Is it self-evident to you that that's not cost-prohibitive with what people pay today?

Re: Sneakers (1992) – 4K makeover sourced from the original camera negative

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Post by sgt »

foobarbecue wrote: post #44
sgt wrote: post #25

Anyone noticed that streaming services start to compromise on quality? With Netflix it's been like that for a while. Apple TV+ seems to be the best. I really want to get into Blu-ray now, looking for a decent player.

Yeah. I see overcompression on a lot of shows. Dark scenes and star fields tend to make it obvious. Three Body Problem was the worst -- I imagine it would have been consistently visually spectacular if they hadn't compressed it to shit. I've seen it on Apple TV too though-- e.g. really visible on Silo title screens. Love, Death and Robots on Netflix quality was great.

And sometimes you just hear it. They compromise on everything, and a lot of people won't complain if the audio quality is low.

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Post by duxup »

losthobbies wrote: post #40

I love this movie so much. I know there are parts that don't make sense but everyone in it is excellent and it's very quotable. "Practice, Practice, Practice" "You...won't know...who to trust" "No more secrets" The soundtrack is great too.

The parts of the soundtrack are on one of my coding playlists.

Re: Sneakers (1992) – 4K makeover sourced from the original camera negative

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Post by sgt »

voxadam wrote: post #61
alias_neo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Blu ray is 25GB per side, so max 50GB for 2 layers Are pressed Blu-Rays limited compared to writeable ones? I have 100GB BDXL blanks (single-sided) I use as one of the archives for my family photos/videos. Couldn't a film BluRay also be 100GB on a single side?

Plenty of movies have been released on BD100. Very out of date list: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=294596 On a site that I am a member of there are nearly 1300 BD100 rips available.

A lot more practical than having to deal with physical media. I'd even pay them for it, to have that kind of premium access.

Re: Sneakers (1992) – 4K makeover sourced from the original camera negative

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Post by firefax »

nullify88 wrote: post #24

There are some great stills from that movie. In particular the close up of a person's face with reflections of computer text in glasses often sticks with me. I know Timecop also has a similar scene just after the time jump. I think it looks really cool. My brain is weird.

I always liked how they framed the gun being jammed into Gregor's back at the opera, the entire scene carries a certain tension that modern films often fail to sustain or rely on things like explosions or handcannons rather than a .38 and a well acted angry whisper that you will be quietly exiting this theater or your brains will be exiting your fucking skull that is a much more accurate depiction of what it's like to operate under non-official cover.

Sadly, the movie really shows it's age when the "cultural attaché" starts lecturing Robert Redford's character that "our countries are friends now". It's hard to suspend disbelief watching it nowadays.

To swing the discussion back to cinematography:

I'm going to avoid spoilers despite it being an older movie since a disturbing amount of folks in the hacker scene have not seen it but the later scene in the tunnel, arm extended was another great cinematic... shot :-)

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