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Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by Muromec »

esafak wrote: post #163
BeetleB wrote: post #144

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What I meant is: Europe can choose to regulate as they do, and end up living in a Chinese dystopia because the Chinese will drastically benefit from non-regulated AI, or they can create their own AI dystopia. A non-AI dystopia is the least likely scenario.

If you are suggesting that China may use AI to attack Europe, they can invest in defense without unleashing AI domestically. And I don't think China will become a utopia with unregulated AI. My impression after having visited it was not one of a utopia, and knowing how they use technology, I don't think AI will usher it in, because our visions of utopia are at odds. They may well enjoy what they have. But if things g…

Not attack, just influence. Destabilize if you want. Advocate regime change, sabotage trust in institution. Being on a defense in a propaganda war doesn't really work.

With US already having lost ideologigal war with russia and China, Europe is very much next

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Post by celdon25 »

nativeit wrote: post #196
wmf wrote: post #160

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ChatGPT is free. That's the public benefit.

Define “free”.

It’s like a free beer, but it’s Bud Light, lukewarm, and your reaction to tasting the beer goes toward researching ways to make you appreciate the lukewarm Bud Light for its marginal value, rather than making that beer taste better or less unhealthy. They’ll try very hard to convince you that they have though. It parallels their approach to AI Alignment.

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Post by All4All »

kranke155 wrote: post #150
nfRfqX5n wrote: post #143

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ask 10 people on the street about chatgpt or gemini and see which one they know

thats just brand recognition. The fact that people know Coca Cola doesnt mean they drink it.

But whether the competition will emerge as Pepsi or as RC-Cola is still tbd.

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Post by delecti »

blibble wrote: post #69
the_duke wrote: post #58

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AGI is matter of when, not if. It will likely require research breakthroughs, significant hardware advancement, and anything from a few years to a few decades. But it's coming. ChatGPT was released 2.5 years ago, and look at all the crazy progress that has been made in that time. That doesn't mean that the progress has to continue, we'll probably see a stall. But AIs that are on a level with humans for many common ta…

> AGI is matter of when, not if. LLMs destroying any sort of capacity (and incentive) for the population to think pushes this further and further out each day

On the other hand, dumbing down the population also lowers the bar for AGI. /s

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Post by chrisweekly »

pi-err wrote: post #133
jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

Sounds a lot like "Google+ will catch Facebook in no time". OpenAI has been on a winning streak that makes ChatGPT the default chatbot for most of the planet. Everybody else like you describe is trying to add some AI crap behind a button on a congested UI. B2B market will stay open but OpenAI has certainly not peaked yet.

IMHO "ChatGPT the default chatbot" is a meaningful but unstable first-mover advantage. The way things are apparently headed, it seems less like Google+ chasing FB, more like Chrome eating IE + NN's lunch.

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Post by adastra22 »

fooker wrote: post #209
jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

Google is pretty far behind. They have random one off demos and they beat benchmarks yes, but try to use Google’s AI stuff for real work and it falls apart really fast.

People are using Gemini for real work. I prefer Claude myself, but Gemini is as good (or alternatively: as bad) as OpenAI’s models.

The only thing OpenAI has right now is the ChatGPT name, which has become THE word for modern LLMs among lay people.

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Post by celdon25 »

fooker wrote: post #209
jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

Google is pretty far behind. They have random one off demos and they beat benchmarks yes, but try to use Google’s AI stuff for real work and it falls apart really fast.

Define “real work”

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Post by voidspark »

always_imposter wrote: post #128
voidspark wrote: post #96

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Their multimodal models are a rudimentary form of AGI. EDIT: There can be levels of AGI. Google DeepMind have proposed a framework that would classify ChatGPT as "Emerging AGI". https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.02462

AGI would mean something which doesn't need direction or guidance to do anything. Like us humans, we don't wait for somebody to give us a task and go do it as if that is our sole existence. We live with our thoughts, blank out, watch TV, read books etc. What we currently have and possibly in the next century as well will be nothing close to an actual AGI. I don't know if it is optimism or delusions of grandeur that d…

> AGI would mean something which doesn't need direction or guidance to do anything

There can be levels of AGI. Google DeepMind have proposed a framework that would classify ChatGPT as "Emerging AGI".

ChatGPT can solve problems that it was not explicitly trained to solve, across a vast number of problem domains.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2311.02462

The paper is summarized here https://venturebeat.com/ai/here-is-how-far-we-are-to-achievi...

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