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Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by nickff »

ignoramous wrote: post #104
drewbeck wrote: post #82

I see OpenAI's original form as the last gasp of a kind of liberal tech; in a world where "doing good" was seen as very important, the non-profit approach made sense and got a lot of people on board. These days the Altmans and the pmarcas of the world are much more comfortable expressing their authoritarian, self-centered world views; the "evolving" structure of Open AI is fully in line with that. They want to be the…

> They want to be the kings they always thought of themselves as, and now they get to do so without couching it in "doing good". You mean, AGI will benefit all of humanity like War on Terror spread democracy?

Why are you changing the subject? The “War on Terror” was never intended to spread democracy as far as I know; democracy was a means by which to achieve the objective of safety from terrorism.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by grey-area »

jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

Well I think you’re correct that they know the jig is up, but I would say they know the AI bubble is about to burst so they want to cash out before that happens.

There is little to no money to be made in GAI, it will never turn into AGI, and people like Altman know this, so now they’re looking for a greater fool before it is too late.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by nfRfqX5n »

jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

ask 10 people on the street about chatgpt or gemini and see which one they know

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by BeetleB »

esafak wrote: post #126
BeetleB wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If China marches towards a dystopia, why should Europe dutifully follow? I think the more relevant question is: Do you want to live in a Chinese dystopia, or a European one?

A European dystopia won't be AI borne, so this is a false dilemma.

What I meant is: Europe can choose to regulate as they do, and end up living in a Chinese dystopia because the Chinese will drastically benefit from non-regulated AI, or they can create their own AI dystopia.

A non-AI dystopia is the least likely scenario.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by amdsn »

sneak wrote: post #130
blibble wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you aware of worldcoin? altman building a centralised authority of who will be classed as "human" is about as authoritarian as you could get

Worldcoin is opt-in, which is the opposite of authoritarian. Nobody who doesn’t like it is required to participate.

it is opt in until they manage to convince some government to allow them to be the contracted provider of "humanness verification" that is then made a prerequisite to access services.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by bee_rider »

sneak wrote: post #100
drewbeck wrote: post #82

I see OpenAI's original form as the last gasp of a kind of liberal tech; in a world where "doing good" was seen as very important, the non-profit approach made sense and got a lot of people on board. These days the Altmans and the pmarcas of the world are much more comfortable expressing their authoritarian, self-centered world views; the "evolving" structure of Open AI is fully in line with that. They want to be the…

Is it reasonable to assign the descriptor “authoritarian” to anyone who simply does not subscribe to the common orthodoxy of one faction in the american culture war? That is what it seems to me is happening here, though I would love to be wrong. I have not seen anything from sama or pmarca that I would classify as “authoritarian”.

I’m not sure exactly what they meant by “liberal” in this case, but since they put it in contrast with authoritarianism, I assume they meant it in the conventional definition of the word (where it is the polar opposite of authoritarianism). Instead of the American politics-as-sports definition that makes it a synonym for “team blue.”

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by crorella »

jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

But he said he was doing it just for love!! [1]

1: https://www.techpolicy.press/transcript-senate-judiciary-sub...

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by jwarden »

no_wizard wrote: post #140
pi-err wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds a lot like "Google+ will catch Facebook in no time". OpenAI has been on a winning streak that makes ChatGPT the default chatbot for most of the planet. Everybody else like you describe is trying to add some AI crap behind a button on a congested UI. B2B market will stay open but OpenAI has certainly not peaked yet.

Facebook had immense network effects working for it back then. What network effect does OpenAI have? Far as I can tell, moving from OpenAI to Gemini or something else is easy. It’s not sticky at all. There’s no “my friends are primarily using OpenAI so I am too” or anything like that. So again, I ask, what makes it sticky?

Brand counts for a lot

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by kranke155 »

pi-err wrote: post #133
jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

Sounds a lot like "Google+ will catch Facebook in no time". OpenAI has been on a winning streak that makes ChatGPT the default chatbot for most of the planet. Everybody else like you describe is trying to add some AI crap behind a button on a congested UI. B2B market will stay open but OpenAI has certainly not peaked yet.

Facebook couldnt be overtaken because of network effects. What network effects are there to a chatbot.

If you look at Gemini, I know people using it daily.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by kranke155 »

nfRfqX5n wrote: post #143
jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

ask 10 people on the street about chatgpt or gemini and see which one they know

thats just brand recognition.

The fact that people know Coca Cola doesnt mean they drink it.

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