Mmh am I the only one who has been offered to participate in a “comparison between 2 chatgpt versions”? The newer version included sponsored products in its response. I thought that was quite effed up.
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Evolving OpenAI's Structure
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU does and has passed the AI act to reign in the worst consequences of this nuclear weapon. It has not been received well around here. The "digital god" angle might explain why. For many, this has become a religious movement, a savior for an otherwise doomed economic system.
Absolutely. It's frankly quite shocking to see how otherwise atheist or agnostic people have so quickly begun worshipping at the altar of "inevitable AGI apocalypse", much in the same way as how extremist Christians await the rapture.
Roko's Basilisk is basically Pascal's wager with GPUs.
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#53From least to most speculative: * The nonprofit is staying the same, and will continue to control the for-profit entity OpenAI created to raise capital * The for-profit is changing from a capped-profit LLC to a PBC like Anthropic and Xai * These changes have been at least tacitly agreed to by the attorneys general of California and Delaware * The non-profit won’t be the largest shareholder in the PBC (likely Microsof…
Another possibility is that OpenAL thinks _none_ of the labs will achieve AGI in a meaningful timeframe so they are trying to cash out with whatever you want to call the current models. There will only be one or two of those before investors start looking at the incredible losses.
I'm fairly sure that OpenAI has never really believed in AGI - it's like with Uber and "self driving cabs" - it's a lure for the investors.
It's just that this bait has a shelf life and it looks like it's going to expire soon.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely. It's frankly quite shocking to see how otherwise atheist or agnostic people have so quickly begun worshipping at the altar of "inevitable AGI apocalypse", much in the same way as how extremist Christians await the rapture.
Roko's Basilisk is basically Pascal's wager with GPUs.
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#55> transition to a Public Benefit Corporation Can some business person give us a summary on PBCs vs. alternative registrations?
you could've just asked this to chatgpt....
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#56I think this is one of the most interesting lines as it basically directly implies that leadership thinks this won't be a winner take all market: > Instead of our current complex capped-profit structure—which made sense when it looked like there might be one dominant AGI effort but doesn’t in a world of many great AGI companies—we are moving to a normal capital structure where everyone has stock. This is not a sale,…
Or they consider themselves to have low(er) chance of winning. They could think either, but they obviously can't say the latter.
OpenAI is winning in a similar way that Apple is winning in smartphones.
OpenAI is capturing most of the value in the space (generic LLM models), even though they have competitors who are beating them on price or capabilities.
I think OpenAI may be able to maintain this position at least for the medium term because of their name recognition/prominence and they are still a fast mover.
I also think the US is going to ban all non-US LLM providers from the US market soon for "security reasons."
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#57> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI) benefits all of humanity. Then why is it paywalled? Why are you making/have made people across the world sift through the worst material on offer by the wide uncensored Internet to train your LLMs? Why do you have a for-profit LLC operating under a non-profit, or for that matter, a "Public Benefit Corporation" that has to answer to shareholders at…
> Then why is it paywalled? Why are you making/have made people across the world sift through the worst material on offer by the wide uncensored Internet to train your LLMs?
Because they're concerned about AI use the same way Google is concerned about your private data.
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#58I think this is one of the most interesting lines as it basically directly implies that leadership thinks this won't be a winner take all market: > Instead of our current complex capped-profit structure—which made sense when it looked like there might be one dominant AGI effort but doesn’t in a world of many great AGI companies—we are moving to a normal capital structure where everyone has stock. This is not a sale,…
to me it sounds like an admission that AGI is bullshit! AGI would be so disruptive to the current economic regime that "winner takes all" barely covers it, I think. Admitting they will be in normal competition with other AI companies implies specializations and niches to compete, which means Artificial Specialized Intelligence, NOT general intelligence! and that makes complete sense if you don't have a lay person's u…
AGI is matter of when, not if.
It will likely require research breakthroughs, significant hardware advancement, and anything from a few years to a few decades. But it's coming.
ChatGPT was released 2.5 years ago, and look at all the crazy progress that has been made in that time. That doesn't mean that the progress has to continue, we'll probably see a stall.
But AIs that are on a level with humans for many common tasks is not that far off.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they think AGI is imminent the value of that payday is very limited. I think the grandparent is more correct: OpenAI is admitting that near term AGI - which, being that the only one anyone really cares about is the case with exponential self improvement - isn't happening any time soon. But that much is obvious anyway despite the hyperbolic nonsense now common around AI discussions.
Define "imminent". If I were a person like several of the people working on AI right now (or really, just heading up tech companies), I could be the kind to look at a possible world-ending event happening in the next - eh, year, let's say - and just want to have a party at the end of the world. Five years to ten years? Harder to predict.
Imminent means "in a timeframe meaningful to the individual equity holders this change is about."
The window there would at _least_ include the next 5 years, though obviously not ten.
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#60I think this is one of the most interesting lines as it basically directly implies that leadership thinks this won't be a winner take all market: > Instead of our current complex capped-profit structure—which made sense when it looked like there might be one dominant AGI effort but doesn’t in a world of many great AGI companies—we are moving to a normal capital structure where everyone has stock. This is not a sale,…
I'm not surprised that they found a reason to uncap their profits, but I wouldn't try to infer too much from the justification they cooked up.